23-11-2000 12:39									#1
	What are some of your terraforming/improvement strats? Tired of ads?

Tell me, what do you do and when? Without direct control over city workers, it's a little more difficult (for me at least) to know exatly what level of improvement to build and when (fish net, fishery?).

	24-11-2000 05:01									#2
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	24-11-2000 05:24									#3
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i dont see the difficulty of this. it's the same as before: if you want to boost the production of a city, build mines in your city radius. if you want food, build farms, fish nets, etc. if you want trade, build trading posts.... the difference is that now you dont have to take one worker from one tile and put him in another to work the tile you just "improved".

	24-11-2000 11:52									#4
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But is it better to instantly 'tear down' older improvements in lieu of newer ones (i.e., fisheries for nets)? Or is it more efficient to fill up all worked squares first, then go back and start upgrading improved squares after?

Just wondered what people prefered and thought the better/best approach is.

	24-11-2000 21:09									#5
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That's what I do. Fill up all unimproved squares with the best improvements, then go over the ones with lesser improvements and upgrade them.

	24-11-2000 21:55									#6
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If I understand it correctly, you should build improvements adjacent to the city only, until city size reaches 7. And even outside the immediate city area, most improvements contribute little until city size reaches 12 or 13 or so. Am I right on that?

	27-11-2000 20:26									#7
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re: "What do I build" part of question.

Early: food and minerals. (doh!)
Later: Trade.

Granted, trade improvements have their drawbacks, but trade helps science, and money is versatile, transferable, and 100% clean (i.e., no pollution). And it accumulates. Plus, you can build trade improvements on forests, and I think jungle.

Generally, I prefer the 'advanced' improvements over the basic or 'mega' variety, except that (for aesthetic reasons) I like Nature Preserves and despise Shopping Malls.

	01-12-2000 17:32									#8
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I had a thought the other day, and loaded a (around 1300 AD) game to try it. I built forts to extend my empire range (although I could have done this with a settler, and immediately disbanding the new city), and built tile improvements in the squares I was going to build a new city in.

It worked !

Of course, you would not be able to do this until later in the game, when you actually get the better tile improvements, and once done, the improvement on that tile is locked in, but hey, in the mid-game, adding mega-mines or advanced farms to those new 15 cities is better than a sharp stick in the eye.

	06-12-2000 21:21									#9
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Has anyone experienced where their mayor did any terraforming?

	06-12-2000 23:25									#11
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You should fill as many squares as possible in each consecutive ring.

I.e., if city is up to size 7, don't bother replacing old improvements until all 8 squares around the city are filled, because the city will get the benefits of all the improvements.


The real choice comes when you have a filled inner ring, and a partially filled outer ring: should you replace an inner ring farm with and advanced farm, or just build the new outer ring advanced farm?

Easy answer: the marginal difference in benefit here is so small, you have *got* to have something better to do than worry about this. You may have other cities without fully developed inner rings - build there first.

Hard answer: depends on how high your population is. You would get 100% of the benefit of the upgrade in the inner ring, but only variable percentage of the benefit in the outer ring depending on population (i.e. about 8% if pop 8 (upgrade inner), 50% if pop 14, and 100% if pop 20 (build outer)).

	07-12-2000 00:39									#12
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What's the point of the trade tile improvements when I already get plenty of gold?

For me, Trade Posts, Malls, and such are of no use. I think Activision staff might have gone overboard with tile improvements. I can do without the trade tile improvements, thank you very much.

	07-12-2000 01:38									#13
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Mr. Fun,

Is that still true after tweaking the wages setting back to its "proper" setting?

	07-12-2000 09:31									#14
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You know, you just reminded me to add something else to my "to do" list.

	08-12-2000 07:00									#15
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I'm having a few thoughts now about changing my gaming style. Usually, very early in the game, I put my PW at 0%, and don't bother building ANY tile imp's until I get roads, then I boost to 20%, build those roads, and if anything left over, some much needed farms and mines. After I get to Fascism/Democracy, and go from 20 cities to 35, I get my 35th city, then immediately boost to 30%, and start improving in earnest.

I am wondering now, if I shouldn't start early at 20% and spread some of the lower imp's out a little bit, at the cost of the faster build rates you get by staying at 0% early. I will have to start my next game and try this.

Anybody else wanna share their general improvement strategies?

	08-12-2000 08:50									#16
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I never set my public works at 0% at any point in the game.

When I start a new game, I set it down to 10%, then at about the time I reach the Rennaisance, I set it at 20% and during this same era, when my production increases some more, I move it up to 30% for public works.

I set tile improvements throughout the game - from the beginning until the end or when I see no more need for tile improvements.

	13-12-2000 23:56									#18
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EP:

The basic Civ model is: food->population, minerals->production, trade(or economy)->money&science. How much of the trade pool goes into money and how much goes into science is determined by your government type, and can be tweaked in the empire manager pop-up.

Do not confuse trade improvements and income with trade goods and trade routes. The effect of trade routes on science ... I dunno. And I don't care: trade routes seem a small payoff for a lot of work, and are too vulnerable to piracy.

MrFun:

I will set public works to 0% when racing toward a crucial wonder. Then I will set it quite high when I get Industrial Revolution and am able to terraform those gnarly swamp tiles.

[This message has been edited by Didymus (edited December 13, 2000).]

	14-12-2000 01:27									#19
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In CtP1, it was gold-> maint costs, science; leftover is your net income. So trade routes increase gold, and thus increase science. The problem in the release version was that building a marketplace, which increased total gold and thus the amount diverted to science, gave you a larger SCIENCE bonus than an academy!

CtP2 has tried to fix this... don;t know how successfully though.

	24-12-2000 09:37									#20
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I usually set my PW to 0% at the beginning and probably for most turns in a game. I want explorers and defenders in the first 20 turns before the barbarians start coming or the other civs find all the huts. I go for slavers ASAP and that's how I get my production up, large population. My problem is usually too much production with the way the pollution settings are.

When I get a couple cities or size 7 or so I move PW to 60, 70 or 80% for a few turns in a row to build 4 or 5 mines for one or 2 or my cities and use them for building the Wonders, then the same %s later when I get facism or communism and want to do some terraforming.

If I need a farm or something I'll just put the PW up for as long as needed then back to 0% again when I have enough. I've thought about just leaving it at 10% or 20% for a whole game but just haven't been able to so far. One of these days.

	24-12-2000 23:15									#21
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How do trade routes/trade improvements help science?
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