15-01-2001 04:24									#1
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Hi Guys, I know this is probably a boring way to win CTP2, but I wanted to know if anyone has any hints about making alliances, I pretty much figured diplomats help.

But if you have any good hints and tactics, please let me know

Waxhead

	19-01-2001 21:34									#2
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I find the is always a evil genius nation most of the time it's the germans, you have to crush these people i never got them to do any peace pacts with me and once you have crush them people are scare of you so you can threaten them. You have to use carrot and stick too get the last 2 nations to join your alliance.

I find give up a city give loads of advances then offer an allaiance they will reget it then threaten them that you will go to war unless they do.

Hop this helps

	28-01-2001 14:44									#3
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Hi all.

I've just beaten AI at Hard level, making alliances with all other nations: Scotland -evil genius-, England, America & Ireland.

Actually, it was not so difficult to become a Scotland ally, but it was much more difficult with Ireland.

Anyway, my nation was the strongest one (army, economy, science) and I wouldn't have any problem to win using brutal strength.

Finally... it is right: giving one city to other nations is a good point to start to obtain an alliance treaty. Then, if they refuse, threaten them!


Bye, Carlo

	30-01-2001 02:43									#4
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I have found that if you give each Ai a 100 gold when you meet them, they can become real frendly. but must keep doing it or they will turn mean.

	31-01-2001 21:27									#5
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World Peace is not boring for me, I love peacful ways to win in Civ and SMAC.
In my first game, I achieved World Peace with three remaining civs.
England.
North America.
Scotland.

I had tons of gold, and England liked me since we met, so I easily got them to sign the alliance just at cost of Explosives advance.
With Scotland it was a bit more difficult, so I declared war. I took their Capitol City, signed cease-fire. Then took a Diplomat, and in one turn I had an embassy established and a reception there held. Thus they agreed to the Peace Treaty and for 20000 money agreed to sign the allaince.
Native Americans were remaining. And man were they agressive! As my intelligence reports over time shown, they never really liked anyone during the game, and I was at war with them, too. Having a slight upper hand (all in all, Tanks vs. Infantrymen), I held reception and embassy, signed peace treaty. It was possible for a small bribe. Then I asked them to sign an alliance (their regard was "They respect us"), and offered them in exchange 60 thousand gold! It was a great price, but they still refused. I threatened, and they kept refusing. I couldn't bribe them at all, no matter what I promised, so I just had to wipe the m and win with holding two alliances, with England and Scotland.

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	31-01-2001 23:26									#6
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I have found that when civilizations refuse an alliance, even when you threaten to declare war, moving a stack of 12 Tanks next to one of their cities makes them much more reasonable.

	05-02-2001 17:13									#7
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I found that making alliances wasn't the problem. It was maintaining them. I managed (quite easily) to make alliances with all nations (they must have been afraid of me), but as soon as the next turn starts, each one asks me to declare war on their enemies (with whom I'm allied). Declining the request is a breach of alliance...

i.e. Stuck as far as Diplomacy Victory goes, unless you cheat, and beat every single enemy but one, and then make alliance with the one remaining one.


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	06-02-2001 23:50									#8
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It's tricky but doable.

I've never had an allied civ demand that I declare war against someone else except when they had established relations with me. So the first line of defense is to keep Diplomats out.

Okay, it's obviously too late for that, but there's still a workaround.

1. When A demands that you go to war with B, agree to it.

2. On his next turn, B will probably say, "Hey, what'd I do?" and ask for a Cease Fire. Or you can just call him up and propose one. Assuming you're a lot more powerful, he'll probably agree. Civ A doesn't seem to care.

3. Move your Diplomat in (you did have him close by, right?) to re-establish relations with B. Then get a Peace Treaty, then an Alliance.

The Diplomat might have to throw a party, or you might need to do some bribing to get B to listen to reason, but he usually will go along. Move military units next to his cities if necessary, to encourage him in this direction.

This works because A will not object, and will not get back to you with another demand for war for (IIRC) 20 turns. So this is your window of opportunity.