07-02-2001 02:58									#1
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I am a new player to this type of series, I've been into Pharoah, settlers etc.. so I am really unlearned here. Can someone help me please. I get a message that my max. capicity has been reached, I have several cities and I am about to leave the renaissance era (I think). How do I enlarge the boarder (white line)of my city so I can get more than 12 units in?
Does the next era I enter automatically enlarge the boared of my city? Help please I am a little confused. Also how do you repel slavers?

Many thanks,
Bryce

	07-02-2001 03:08									#2
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If you mean increase the city square radius, you must have your city grow to, I think, 8 and then 19 and then 32 for each successive growth. You may also need to build aqueducts. If you reach the city limit for your government you'll need to change to a more modern gov or change the game files (someone else will have to help you there). Your national border is a function of your cities. You may try to expand it by building the fortress terrain improvement around your border as this will expand them somewhat.

Hope this helps, \
adam

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	07-02-2001 05:33									#3
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Bryce:
Also, the best way to repel slavers is with slavers. Your slavers will see the enemy slavers, and then just use a military unit to expel them (or kill them if you want war ). Easy as. Your cities can only hold a maximum of 12 units. Once it reaches 12 you need to move some units out of the city to build more. This is static right through the game.

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	08-02-2001 01:24									#4
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"If you reach the city limit for your government you'll need to change to a more modern gov or change the game files"

I seem to read this every time anyone talks about city limits. YOU ARE NOT REALLY AT YOUR # of city limit. It just means you will be penalized 1 happiness for each city over the limit. If you are conquering your neighbors, the odds are that the city does have some happiness buildings. (if not it's because it's too small and then you starve/disband...sell the granery first :-) )
With a happiness wonder or two, coupled with a few happiness buildings, and some creative use of of the empire sliders. You can easily go 10 cities past the max without falling into revolt. You might need some entertainers in recently conquers cities untill the conquest distress disappears.
This was implemented to discourage ICSers and it is reasonably effective. But the side effect is that I find myself not building any cities past the first couple and going out and conquering them. The AI can build buildings while I spit out an army. If I take an undeveloped city, I disband it and send the settler to another city to be disbanded to speed up the creation of an army unit.

RAH

	08-02-2001 11:52									#5
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Rah, thats the same strategy I used to play. You need to try some of the AI defensive improvements people talk about and it wont be so easy

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	08-02-2001 19:44									#6
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I definitely will soon. I'm only on my third game, and it's already become drudgery, but i have keep increasing the size of the world so it takes longer to conquer so I can get a little experience with some naval units and air units. Up until this game, it's been over by 1390. Rifles and Cannons have been all that's been needed. I want to get a little more experience before releasing the hounds.

I praise all the people that are picking up the slack for the crappy AI. Gotta love this place. I've read about most of them, and am looking forward to FRENZY.
After loading the original patch, it solved a lot of my SP problems and i have now have almost zero problems with the stability of the game. (not going to talk about MP)

But anything that will make the AI more aggressive will add a little interest back into the game. It's sad when the game becomes routine the third time you play it.

It's a shame. This game has some nice features. It's just too bad that they won't take the final steps to make it a good game.

Again, tribute to those that will do it for the love of the game.


RAH

	09-02-2001 19:47									#7
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Alpha Wolf, which mods would you recommend.

RAH

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	09-02-2001 21:44									#8
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Personally I would recommend the frenzy v1.04 mod and the diplomod v3.2 final. Also there is med mod II coming but isn't ready, but when it does it's a definate keeper. There is also the alt-sci mod by BlueO which is a nice change of pace once and awhile.

	09-02-2001 21:47									#9
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From reading, those were the two mods that got my attention.

Stupid question. Where and how?

RAH

	10-02-2001 08:47									#10
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Database under mods.
http://apolyton.net/ctp2/files

	11-02-2001 11:17									#11
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thanx, as sone as i finish the game i'm in, i'll try them. I should be ready for it by then.

RAH

	26-02-2001 20:35									#14
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Good question?

I too finished a game and wanted to try the tougher challange of frenzy mod and diplomod. I downloaded them and then had no clue what to do with them. Looked around, didn't see anything, and gave up.

Any help here would be appreciated.

RAH

And Yes and ICSer is one that just spits out cities and isn't as concerned about improvements.
[This message has been edited by rah (edited February 26, 2001).]

	27-02-2001 01:17									#15
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rah

Take a look at the readme-diplomod.txt file in the zip you've downloaded. You'll found a 'installing' section.

	27-02-2001 02:24									#16
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Is there something similar for the frenzy mod?

RAH
Thanks for all the help. I'll get my money's worth out of this game yet.
Wait, I got it as a gift for free. Hmmmmmmmmm A couple more games should do it.

	01-03-2001 02:41									#17
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Didn't want this lost now that the two are combined.

RAH
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	02-03-2001 02:34									#18
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Make sure if you want to use both mods that you install frenzy before diplomacy. You get an error if you do diplomacy first.

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	03-03-2001 10:10									#19
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Thanks for the tip DALE.

But how do you install the FRENZY mod?

I must of had too many beers when I downloaded it because I couldn't figure it out.

THANKS,

RAH