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timelord50
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Sydney, NSW, Australia
Mar 2001
time: 05:14
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When CTP2 came out I was considering going and buying it- but thank god I stumbled on it while looking through a warez site. This saved me wasting my money on what has proved to be an awful game. There are 2 main problems with it- 1. The AI has the 'intelligence' of a worm. 2. The interface is horrible. There don't seem to be many posts about 2. on this forum, which surprises me. Maybe I have just not played CTP2 enough to get used to the interface changes from CTP1, but I think it's more than that. For example the thing where it centres the map but doesn't select the city when you choose to edit a build que.
The interface to CTP1 was excellent- not perfect but it was good enough for managing 50 or 60 cities with astronomical production values (ie lots of finished building messages each turn). It wasn't ideal for large military campaigns but it was usable. Another thing is that there appears to be no unit cycle button- the one you could use to cycle through and use the movement points of all active units before the end of the turn. It takes me ages to deal with the messages from my cities each turn (a build que finished, a wonder built, a unhappiness warning message etc) whereas in CTP1 it was a quick and relatively painless operation. I could go on for pages picking out all the things I don't like about the interface but I won't.
Finally who's stupid idea was it to remove space? It was one of the best areas of the game- not only for having extra room to colonise but it was great for military campaigns- you could drop whole armies out of orbit. It eliminated the tedious multi-turn movements required to get units into enemy territory.
Activision's reason for this was some crap about space not really being part of the central game playing area- it was a distrction from the game because it was a seperate view. Personally I think the reason for this and the awfulness of CTP2 was that activision management wanted a quick dollar- they wanted to capitalise on consumer loyalty to the civilization/CTP name. As I write this I'm about to remove CTP2 from my hard drive- CTP1 may not be perfect but at least it's playable.
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cousLee
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I came over to this forum to see if any opinions were here about ctp2. I had installed ctp when it first came out, and wrote it off as shelfware. i decided to re-visit it now that all these fixes are available. I have found it still dry. I considered perhaps ctp2 was a better game. HA, after reading this thread, and others in this forum, I won't waste my time or money.
I disagree about the ctp interface. I think it sucks. Some real annoying movement actions also. It's still not much of a challange. I am trying some harder settings, but even in this last one, I am power graphing so far ahead, it is becomming boring and hardly worth finishing the mop-up part.
Thanks for the warning about ctp2.
If your looking for a good game, spend about half the money and get "Stars!".
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Jen Dragon
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Lubbock, Tx. USA
Sep 2000
time: 05:14
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I am, almost everyone disappointed is long gone. I keep
checking back just in case Wes's Med mod is done.
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timelord50
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Sydney, NSW, Australia
Mar 2001
time: 05:14
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I posted this topic to see if others thought the same as me. It turns out that they do- that justifys me removing it from my HD. If we want to make this the world's longest thread we can go on about other games too. Anyone ever bought a game that was made by Cryo?
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Jen Dragon
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Lubbock, Tx. USA
Sep 2000
time: 05:14
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I've played thru the Midguard scenaro in test of time and
realized I had never played it before. I had played the
fantasy scenario but not Midguard, what a pleasant suprise. It was
way fun playing as the Elves.
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Triumphus Romanus
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Jacksonville, Florida
Nov 2000
time: 05:14
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Ya know, CTP2 was my intro into the turn-based civ builder genre, and i played it daily for a couple weeks, then started winning so easily. The various AI/Diplomacy tweaks helped, some....but it just wasnt challenging.
I stopped playing for about a month, came back to it and now cant stay interested long enough to go Feudal :-)
But, being caught up in a new genre, I picked up Civ2-TOT for $11 and have been playing that...also Shogun. TOT is kinda hard to get used to, being that I cut my teeth on CTP2, but so far, it is more fun and the AI is better....at least thats my opinion. Also, anyone that hasnt tried 1602 should give it a go......fun, and so far challenging.
I hope Civ3 is tops, I really love this genre.
And yes, I know......Shogun is a tb/rts mix, and 1602 is rts.....but they all have some similar qualities....gonna buy Europa Universalis shortly.
[This message has been edited by Triumphus Romanus (edited March 19, 2001).]
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Steve5304
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Racine ,WI USA
Jan 2001
time: 05:14
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Crap-Ta-Vision totally blew us off. There is no 1.2 patch and PBEM wont be added.
btw i am extremely pissed because they totally blew over the units and AI intellegence department. I mean what the hell, the "Infantryman"? We still call our men today Infantrymen! Better yet where the hell is the Legion? In Ctp Multiplayer he was the "Poor-mans Samurai". Even Worse is the Absence of a Mech infantry like in Civ2 and the addition of "cargo Helicopter". I mean geez a cargo Helicopter,Why the hell is that in the game? These have almost no significance in wars today and serve very little purpose during the game.
You should have also taught the AI how to Use Carriers and aircraft correctly. Wait, you should have taught the AI somthing Period! Diety is Nothing, I got sick of having my 9 Pikemen killing off lonely Marines and Tanks , Because the AI does not know how to stack units.
All in all, this game was returned, I hope others do the same.
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"Oh what detestable things did Men of Sodom and Gommorrah commit! Men layed with men and then lay on pig. Such Abhorrent evil would not be tolerated bye GOD. So one day the Almighty LORD sent Fire and Brimstone from the sky. Then the Great Sea rose and Swallow the citys up. The sea then became like Salt, No man could drink its Dead waters. Sodom and Gommorah were no more and there Inhabitants now lay only with Maggots in hell and only have eternity to look forward too." ISIAH 21:13
[This message has been edited by Steve5304 (edited March 19, 2001).]
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David Murray
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[quote"Oh what detestable things did Men of Sodom and Gommorrah commit! Men layed with men and then lay on pig. Such Abhorrent evil would not be tolerated bye GOD. So one day the Almighty LORD sent Fire and Brimstone from the sky. Then the Great Sea rose and Swallow the citys up. The sea then became like Salt, No man could drink its Dead waters. Sodom and Gommorah were no more and there Inhabitants now lay only with Maggots in hell and only have eternity to look forward too." ISIAH 21:13
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Hey Steve, how coincidental that Isiah had similar terrible spelling to yourself.
I've long maintained that along with a good education and a bright mind comes tolerance and enlightenment; you've just proved my point.
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Immortal Wombat
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in perpetuity
Dec 2000
time: 05:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve5304 on 03-19-2001 11:09 AM
I mean what the hell, the "Infantryman"? We still call our men today Infantrymen!
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Change it then - gl_str.txt
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Better yet where the hell is the Legion? In Ctp Multiplayer he was the "Poor-mans Samurai".
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Take the sprite and tgas from ctp and put them in ctp2
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Even Worse is the Absence of a Mech infantry
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...Add-able (In fact, I think it downloadable in Harlan's WW2 graphics pack)
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the addition of "cargo Helicopter". I mean geez a cargo Helicopter,Why the hell is that in the game? These have almost no significance in wars today and serve very little purpose during the game.
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So? Change its stats and make it an attack 'copter
Before you yell, I know the players shouldn't have to edit their own game, but all games are edited, for some people its half the fun, even AoK, where all editing has to crack into the gamefiles with special utilities has been heavily modded to people's liking, and that is the best RTS game there has been.
PS. PBEM is usable, see the top thread in the ctp2 multiplayer forum
PPS. David Murray is right, your spelling sucks
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leonli316
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Vancouver,BC,Canada
Feb 2001
time: 05:14
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Yes, very dissapointed. So you should download the game and mod it instead.
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Chronus
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TRIUMPHUS QUOTE: "Also, anyone that hasnt tried 1602 should give it a go......fun, and so far challenging."
I quite agree! 1602 has been a very pleasant suprise. Merely creating a mini empire was challenging. Now that I have that down pat, I've been reaching the scenarios where combat plays a larger role. I'm curious to see what happens next!
Sorry, Troll ... off topic, again! ;-)
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