19-11-2000 14:19									#1
	CTP lover says...CTP2 is an excellent game! Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Yes it certainly is! Well I always did like the first CTP and I played it alot. I tell you I got more then my money worth from it and I could never understand some of the people that were not satisfied with it. Now we have CTP2 which is even better then the first. One thing I noticed right away was the graphics, which look very nice and is the best I have ever seen in a CIV type game hands down. The music is, well...excellent and I love it!

Cruise missiles have returned here but unfortunately Cruisers have not. So far this is my only complaint and I am NOT lying either, pretty minor won't you say? But don't worry because there are now PT Boats and the Ironclads also returned as well and they really look good.

The interface has improved, the AI has improved, the diplomacy...THE DIPLOMACY! Major improvements there in that area. Also I need to mention the editor which of course has improved as well. The great library is extremely nice too, just about everything in the game is explained there and its better then what it was in the first CTP.

I feel CTP2 is a MUST have for anyone who enjoys CIV type games no matter if you had the first CTP or not. Hell, I even recommend it to anyone who enjoys strategy games and has never even played a CIV game! But to them people I warn this is very addicting so don't say I did not tell you Two thumbs up to the CTP team!

	14-05-2001 08:38									#2
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*bump*


Sorry, I alway's wanted to reply to this one

	14-05-2001 22:12									#3
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Err... Is he really speaking about CTP2?

If he is, then my faith in mankind has been restored! Finally I´m able to find someone so pure that he may be the cornerstone of a new era in human evolution!

Ok, so I´m just kidding...

	15-05-2001 02:55									#4
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Diplomacy?? Good?!?
The AI is bad just like in civ2 and SMAC. I love Civ games (- SMAC) and I love CTP2 OK like CTP2 but if you want good AI play Black & White. I can only hope civ3 is the first TBS game with a good AI.

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	15-05-2001 03:57									#5
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Well some ppl do have pretty low standards for games. I personally am VERY picky about my games and I only buy the best of the best(except CTP2). Waste of money. Well I geuss most any game can appease anyone with very low standards or who is unfamiliar for whats better out there(like Civ2 and and SMAC).

	15-05-2001 05:37									#6
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BTW you sound like you bought the game just so you could post your message on the forum.

	15-05-2001 06:45									#7
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No I just pointed out the huge difference of opinion now and then. At first everybody thought, CTP2 was the ****, and stuff. Now that we've seen it at face value and actually spent time with it. We realize it sucks.

	15-05-2001 19:39									#8
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well, at first I really liked it a lot (for first couple hours, at least). But then I found myself pointlessly clicking through the turns, and waiting when the hell it's gonna end? And what's that about great AI? It's only great at building cities. And even then it manages to screw up ...

but graphics are nice. so is the army-stack idea ...

	16-05-2001 09:16									#9
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The AI is retarded. It builds so many Hospitals/Theatres and stuff that the maintence cost's exceed the AI's very Budget . So the AI earns like -400 gold a turn , towards the end of the game.

	15-05-2001 22:17									#10
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PrinceBimz, do you want to buy an used car?

	16-05-2001 03:18									#11
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PrinceBimz sounds like he played the game for 5 turns then decided he couldnt wait to make a post like this. Basically he needs some attention and is trying to make a controversial post. Other then that give him a week and he will get disgusted.

	16-05-2001 10:15									#12
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How can anyone compare Civ2 to CTP2??

Civ2 is a piece of outdated useless rubbish and CTP2 is far superior. Why do people bag CTP2 so much. OK it has heaps of flaws like every other startegy game ever made, but so far it is the BEST civilization type game ever made. Activisions game slaughters that Sid Meier fool ... but hopefully Civ 3 is an improvement on all games made thus far .... But to say Civ 2 is better than CTP2 is pure blasphemy, and punishable by death ...

	16-05-2001 10:18									#13
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Yes, the above comment is referring to you, jadlakha ..... you and civ2 can both burn in a very hot place reserved for heathens in the after life ...

	16-05-2001 17:22									#14
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Vivala,

Nobody says that CTP2 is worse than CIV2. But the fact is -- CTP2 is booring as that flaming place u mentioned! And if the game is boring, sooner or later u get disgusted with it!

	16-05-2001 19:53									#15
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Hey, I take objection to that. Hell isn't boring (CTP2 is, if you cant try out new things with it.) Civ2 was the greatest TBS game ever, and it is still being played because of it. In my opinion, CTP and Civ2 cannot be compared, because they are so different. If CTP2 can remain some sort of replayability, then it could rival Civ2. As it is, for me, a normal game of CTP2 cannot rival Civ2, because it is quick to become dull FOR ME. It is not right, however, to say that it is better or worse than Civ2, because it is different. Some people will prefer one, some the other. There is no point arguing our own opinions, because everyone likes different things. I have the dubious privelidge of finding both games dull...

And just to point out, this thread was started in November, and I have not seen much (anything?) of PrinceBimz since, so unless he's on some other forum, the chances are he did get tired of CTP2.

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quote: How can anyone compare Civ2 to CTP2??

	17-05-2001 05:09									#16
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Excellently said Wombat! Bimz is just one of the many 'one posters' on apolyton. Who only post once and never return because they got bored of the game.

	17-05-2001 06:41									#17
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Well personally I think SMAC is the best TBS game of all time. CTP2 is a pile of worthless crap. Its boring as hell, and its actually more fun to go to work for free(at a restaraunt) then play this tedious game. The game is dull. And if what you say is true and that CTP2 is superior to Civ2, look at how many ppl use the forums of each game. Look at what game actually has scenario makers and mod makers working on it. How many have abandoned the majority? I truly envy you, you can like a game that 95% of the people who play it hate. CTP2 is a pile of worthless crap. Thats why activision is getting rid of the franchise. When CTP2 is superior then Civ2 Activision will be richer then Sid Meier.

	18-05-2001 09:54									#19
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Well I'll be danged. I didn't realize this thread was as old as November!
Who dug this thread up out of the Grave anyway?

	18-05-2001 03:39									#20
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hmm, if I knew that this was started in Novemeber, I wouldn't reply to it in the first place ...

	18-05-2001 10:04									#21
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Although that was a message I posted way back in November 2000, I have re-read what I had written there and still agree to it. I enjoy the game and do like it more then any of the previous CIV titles. As far as I don't post in here very often, well I have so many games and not any time to play all of them. You know how they all say..."Too many games, too little time". I try to read and post on forums alot but it takes away from valuable game time. Do I enjoy the forums here and many other sites? You bet!

Anyway, are any of you here waiting for Empire Earth? Empire Earth and CIV3 are two games coming out that I can't wait for! Of course you really can't fully compare those two because one is RTS and the other is TBS. But I imagine a fair amount of CIV fans will be looking into Empire Earth? Later gents!

	18-05-2001 13:20									#22
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In November I couldn't wait for the game. I bought this game as fast as possible. If Activision had finished the game it could be the best civ title ever. But there is another aspect that makes the game hard to play: My slow computer. But this was also true for Civ2 one and a half hour just for one turn in Civ2 on a 486er was to long. That's the problem with the minimum system requirements. If you try to blow up the game to real dimensions you will loose the speed. And if I can't blow up the game to real dimensions, because of city limitations by the *.exe itsself I loose the interest in it.

By the way this ghost threat was one of the most active threats in the the past days.

-Matrin

	19-05-2001 12:15									#24
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it was great at first but then it sucks you into conquer only mode. The science and gold doesnt really matter cause none of the empires everer use it or attack you unless you attack them. It would seem in 6,000 years some nation would get jealous or greedy and try to stop you from expanding but
so far..all you can do is expand and expand. Sometimes it seems like the game worrys too much about building wonders than concentrating on that expanding empire thats reaching its borders. Thats just my impressions, dont know about others but i just dont feel like im being challenged at all.