21-05-2001 18:46									#1
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Hi,

I got a few questions:

1. I know I get a science victory by building the gaia controller. this consists of 3 pieces. But how can I built the Obelisks? I can't find it in the city. Do I use units to build it?

2. How can I built tile improvements? Cities build these automatically but I wanna build roads and other improvements outside of the city range.

Thanks for the response!

	22-05-2001 09:20									#2
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1. Obelisks are tile improvements therefore you can find them at the same place as the radar staion.

2. To build tile improvements just open the tile improvement menue and of course you need enough public works. You can build things like fortifications radar stations or listening posts outside of you borders. But the terrain tile must be in the view of one of your units. So far as I know you aren't able to build farms, roads et cettera outside of your border. And I think this is an balance design decission. In CTP1 you are able to build roads or better maglevs and undersea tunnels directly to an enemy just to accelerate conquering. Maybe there is a way to change it. But you can expand by building fortifications on a neutral terrain tile. Then your are able to build roads there.

-Martin

	22-05-2001 14:11									#3
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Thanks, found it!

i never used the tile menu before. I played it a few times untill 2300 ad. Now it's time for a science victory!

Sparge

	28-05-2001 04:40									#4
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how did you get up to 2300AD without building roads and stuff? How did you not see the tiles menu? How can you live with dumn mayors making your decisions?

	28-05-2001 12:31									#5
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Well, that was easy. I did see the tile menu but didn't pay attention to it. roads and stuff were built automatically.... Yesterday I played CTP2 untill the end on hard with the science victory for the first time. That was a lot more fun to play !


PS: I don't use the mayors anymore now!

	28-05-2001 16:23									#6
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While we are on the subject...note that forts extend your borders out further (when built near the edge of a border). This is very handy for completing longish roads, and stopping pesky neighbours building cities on one of your continents.

	29-05-2001 04:30									#7
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I've got a great game going now. All the land is taken up because it's full ocean and full island. The problem is there isn't any sea equivelent to the fort for when I build by trans ontinental sea tunnels. Does anyone have suggestions??

	29-05-2001 17:11									#8
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In CTP there was a "hidden" tile improvement that you could replace the sonar buoy with, that you could adjust to make act as a sonar buoy and sea-fort. I will have a look to see if it exists in CTP2, but I think from Martin's delving into the tileset index, it doesn't exist any more

Otherwise, I guess you'll have to build sea cities. Which brings me to another pet hate with CTP1/2, the AI doesn't build its sea cities strategically, just puts them next to its coastline.

	29-05-2001 23:02									#9
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Here is the part of the tileimp.txt about gforts

code:

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TILEIMP_FORTIFICATIONS {
   Icon ICON_TILEIMP_FORTIFICATIONS
   Tooltip TOOLTIP_TILEIMP_SELECT_FORT_BUTTON
   Statusbar STATUSBAR_TILEIMP_SELECT_FORT_BUTTON
   Level 1
   IntBorderRadius 2
   SquaredBorderRadius 5
   Class:Structure1

   ConstructionTiles 1
   ConstructionTiles 80
   ConstructionTiles 81

   CantBuildOn TERRAIN_WATER_BEACH
   CantBuildOn TERRAIN_WATER_DEEP
   CantBuildOn TERRAIN_WATER_RIFT
   CantBuildOn TERRAIN_WATER_SHALLOW
   CantBuildOn TERRAIN_WATER_SHELF
   CantBuildOn TERRAIN_WATER_TRENCH
   CantBuildOn TERRAIN_WATER_VOLCANO

   Excludes:ATM
   Excludes:Farm
   Excludes:LandDetector
   Excludes:Mine
   Excludes:OceanFarm
   Excludes:OceanDetector
   Excludes:OceanATM
   Excludes:Structure1
   Excludes:Structure2
   Excludes:OceanMine

   TerrainEffect {
      Terrain TERRAIN_BROWN_HILL
      Terrain TERRAIN_BROWN_MOUNTAIN
      Terrain TERRAIN_DESERT
      Terrain TERRAIN_FOREST
      Terrain TERRAIN_GLACIER
      Terrain TERRAIN_GRASSLAND
      Terrain TERRAIN_HILL
      Terrain TERRAIN_JUNGLE
      Terrain TERRAIN_MOUNTAIN
      Terrain TERRAIN_PLAINS
      Terrain TERRAIN_SWAMP
      Terrain TERRAIN_TUNDRA
      Terrain TERRAIN_WHITE_HILL
      Terrain TERRAIN_WHITE_MOUNTAIN

      VisionRange 2
      DefenseBonus 0.5
      EnableAdvance ADVANCE_STONE_WORKING
      ProductionCost 1000
      ProductionTime 4
      TilesetIndex 82
   }
}

 ##################################################
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	30-05-2001 01:22									#10
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or you could just have one extra settler handy to make the neccesarry connections, disband the city later.

or is that a cheat?

	30-05-2001 01:36									#11
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I guess if you added a sea fort, you would still have to use the same graphic, and it has a desert-looking floor to it, so would look a little strange. If I can get a *.til editor, I will attempt to get the sea-fort from CTP into CTP2.