15-03-2000 19:37									#1
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How about a freeciv forum on apolyton!

Freeciv is a civ2 clone with multiplayer capability. If you want to learn more about freeciv go to www.freeciv.org .
The AI (allmost) doesn't cheat, but will still give everybody a run for their money at the hardest level.

ps: Have you tried freeciv on your newly installed linux yet, MarkG?

pps: My fog of war patch is now in CVS together with a lot of my bugfixes, so if you want to try that one just download current CVS . This means it will be in the next official freeciv release

	16-03-2000 21:23									#2
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We are working on a FreeCiv section, as matter of fact, for our Alternative Civs area.

It should (hopefully) be unveiled by the end of the month.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	21-03-2000 05:09									#3
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I've looked at that, but the last thing I want is a Civ with even more unbalancing Wonders. But it is nice to know it's out there, sticking it to MicroSoft and rampant capitalism.

	21-03-2000 15:05									#4
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freeciv ounds good but wheres the windows version ???

	01-04-2000 18:21									#6
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*BUMP*

So how about that forum?
And how is the freeciv page coming along?

	02-04-2000 10:54									#7
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An announcement will be made on Wednesday as to who will be taking over the Alt. Civs. section, and one of their first orders of business will be to complete the FreeCiv section.

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	25-04-2000 04:32									#8
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It seems to be dragging out somewhat...

Since freeciv has an open development mailing list and is in very active development right now I hope the ones who get to administer it is subscribed...

	25-04-2000 13:22									#9
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We're finally going to get a FreeCiv forum? That's great! I remember asking about it once when there was a discussion about developing ACS but that was over a year ago (talk about slow paperwork).

For the record, I think we need a forum on FreeCiv foremost and a webpage later. www.freeciv.org already answers most of the technical questions but we need more user oriented questions answered. Questions from windows users in particular.
Granted, FreeCiv is not for the fainthearted and can be a pain to set up properly so it'll probably be a support forum for us (struggling) Linux/windows users in the short/medium run.


Eagerly awaiting the forum. But is it a 'this week' or more of a 'somewhere in the coming months' type of project?

	25-04-2000 16:03									#10
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Actually it is quite easy to set up under linux/amiga. It is only the windows port that was an afterthought.

Please everybody who want a freeciv forum post here.

Since my last post 4 patches have been posted to freeciv-dev.

*Thue goes off to finish coding the patch that will add AC style alliances to freeciv*

	26-04-2000 18:34									#11
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If you insist on having a freeciv section (when what is really needed is a freeciv forum), but lack a maintainer, I suggest posting to freeciv@freeciv.org asking if anybody want the job.

	26-04-2000 18:59									#12
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I need to clarify/comment on a couple of things here:

1) FreeCiv forum -- while a FreeCiv sub-section is currently under development, and should be launched within the month actually, a forum for the game is not planned to open at the same time. If someone from the FC team asked us to open one, however, we would do so as quickly as possible.

2) As for "slow paperwork", our Alt. Civs. section unfortunately has not received the attention it deserves -- at least, until a few weeks ago when he 'hired' a person to look after the area, Paul.

FreeCiv will be the latest addition to the games we cover in our Alternative Civilizations area.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	26-04-2000 23:09									#13
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Umm, I am a part of the FC team! I even have write access authority to CVS.
It is me who have programmed the fog of war in CVS, the airplane goto soon to go in, and am working on the pacts patch. (besides lots of bugfixes)

If you don't believe me go to www.freeciv.org and find the administrators' email adresses. Any of them can conferm it is so.

(And no, you did not open one as quickly as possible when asked:P)
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[This message has been edited by Thue (edited April 26, 2000).]

	27-04-2000 00:18									#14
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Thue, Geeez that looks interesting!

Thank you very much.

Got a question though, w/ version 1.10 do I download targz ot tar bz2 if I want to play on win 95?
DOS?

	27-04-2000 01:39									#15
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Hmm; the place to go is http://www.freeciv.org/windows.html , but that page is seriously bad formulated.
What I can understand is this:
-There is no newer version than 1.9 available
-You will need to get a commercial X-server (no adequate free ones available)
-It will be a major hassle to get it working

I don't think anyone is actively working on getting newer versions to work. Someone is working on a java 1.10 client, but that one is far from completion.

There has been some work on a native windows client, but again this seem to be very slow.

Probably easier to just install linux . May I recomment linux-mandrake.

(Administrators: no freeciv forum yet? You can do quicker than that )

	27-04-2000 04:44									#16
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Thue, I went to the freeciv org site you listed and went to the downloads section. In the downloads appears to be a choice 1.10, I just don't know which one to download. I went to the site you mentioned in the above post but I have no clue if I have an X server, or what that is.

Is there any hope of a guy like me, w/ almost no comp skills and too old and funky to get comp skills ever playing freeciv? Is there no site I can go to that says...

X Click here to download freeciv.

Or should I wait a few more months or years till you guys get it polished?

	27-04-2000 13:59									#17
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The "click here to download" is the freeciv source; it compiles directly for unix/linux and amiga, but is not suited for windoze.
When using it for windows some changes have to be made first, which is what someone had done for the 1.9 version. Apperantly it is not done for 1.10 .

I guess that if you wanted to play it the easiest way would be to install linux first, as I said. Linux Mandrake has an install just as easy as win98 in most cases, so it is not as far-fetched as it seems.

	27-04-2000 14:12									#18
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Thue,

Maybe we could use the Amiga version with WinUAE? I have never tried this before but it could work. If someone made an 'amiga in a box' with FreeCiv perhaps?(HD image for UAE with several programs installed)
Probably would be easier to use WinUAE than Linux as the Amiga seems to be well supported already.

	27-04-2000 15:03									#19
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Freeciv use a good deal of computing power for some things; it would be way to slow to emulate.

	27-04-2000 18:57									#20
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Are you formally requesting a FC forum on Apolyton then, Thue?

If so, please contact Mark and I via email to discuss all the details about getting one going.

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	28-04-2000 11:12									#21
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Quick instructions for installing FreeCiv on Windows:

1) Go to www.starnet.com and download the demonstration version of X-Win32. Install it.

2) Download the Windows 1.9 version of FreeCiv from http://www.freeciv.org/windows.html

3) Start "Freeciv Server (do not announce game on metaserver)" from the start menu.

4) Type "set aifill 5" (or however many total players (human and computer) you want). Hit "enter".

4) Start X-Win32

5) Start the FreeCiv client from the start menu.

6) From the "Freeciv Server Selection" tab of the dialog box that comes up, enter the name you want to use in the "Name" field. Click the "Connect" button.

7) Switch back to the Civserver. Type "start" and press "enter". This starts the game.

8) X-Win32 will give you a message every half-hour or so that you will only be able to use it for a limited time. When it gives you a warning that it will quit in 15 minutes, select "Quit" from the FreeCiv "Game" menu. Click on the X-Win32 button on the taskbar and select "close". Repeat steps 4, 5, and 6. This will reconnect you to your game.

9) Remember, the AI isn't very knowlegable about diplomacy
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	28-04-2000 13:42									#22
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Thanks... I don't have windows so I am not very knowledgeable... (but what a pain with that nagware!)


Let us hope that someone has the heart to compile a laterwversion for windows. You are missing some great features in 1.9 (and bug fixes) build queues, barbarians...
Not to mention that you cannot play with the CVS, the development version.

ps: I asked them officially to make a freeciv forum. Let us see how quickly it is possible to do that

	28-04-2000 13:54									#23
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oh and

4.33) type "explain" to have a list of options. to "explain <option>" to have furthe information about a particular option. "set <option> <value>" will set it.

4.66) The ai defaults to easy. Type "hard" to have a challenge. The hard AI allmost doesn't cheat. (only it can see a little more of the map than you in some cases and it doesn't respect maximum tax rates).
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	28-04-2000 22:14									#24
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KRAAAAH!!!

Nobody told me 1.10 was out...
Damn.

I can't see the point of making a windoze port. If your only OS is Win95/98, there is only program thing that can save you:

FDISK FOR DOS!

Then hurry up and get Linux, and your soul can still be saved.

	29-04-2000 05:13									#26
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Oh sorry - my fault, there isn't. There is one labelled PowerPC, which I thought were MAC, but it is for linux on a MAC .

	29-04-2000 19:11									#28
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Thue has contacted Markos and I, and we are currently reviewing the application. Stay tuned!

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	29-04-2000 23:52									#29
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Some nice person (?can you be a good person if you use windows? ) posted an 1.10 windows version today (still needs an X server). It is at ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/incoming/FCIV1100.EXE
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	30-04-2000 03:39									#30
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Some people on the freeciv mailing lists say they allready frequent apolyton, so the forum won't be completely empty