21-05-2000 09:28									#1
	Map/scenario editor Tired of ads?

Well, there isn't one. But I think it would be relatively wasy to make one. Good place to start if you want to code freeciv.

Just
-Take 1 gtk client. Remove the parts you don't need. Add a few dialogs for chosing tile and unit type and change the map onclick event accordingly. You should make a new subdirectory under client/ for it.
-Move the code to save maps in the server to common/ to be available to the client, and it would be ready to use.
-Put in the oven until... oh wait...

I think it really is that easy, and it would be very practical.

	21-05-2000 01:56									#2
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So why don't you make one for us?

	21-05-2000 03:01									#3
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Wouldn't developing a proper FreeCiv script language (that's well documented) with some test scenarios (like WW2 and Rome in the orginal Civ2) be a better step at this point?


Most scenario designers are not programmers but they become master artists and artisans with the right tools at hand. From what I've seen at the moment FreeCiv doesn't have those tools. If you want to know what those scenario makers can do check out the HS-Scenario League. After 3-4 years they have reached the very limit of what they can do with the Civ2 engine and its various releases. These guys even discuss HEX-editing the savegames to get the last drop of editing efforts!

I'm going to state a goal that should be aimed for if someone (or more) decides to develop scenario tools for FreeCiv : One should be able to design and play a FreeCiv version of RED FRONT with all the rules, sounds, graphics and scripts.

Tall order? perhaps...but we have to start somewhere

	28-07-2000 11:44									#6
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LOL!

Will you be developing this further, or was it just a wild experiment that will lead nowhere?

	28-07-2000 13:43									#7
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Actually I already started. I cut a little down on the duplication by including object files from the client and server where possible.

If you want to see what I have got so far look at http://hjem.get2net.dk/thue_janus_k...wworld.diff.bz2
(apply it and "autoconf && automake && make")

Actually it turned out that someone had made a map editor before, but it had to compile with 1.8.1 and was completely impossible to update. But bit of the code in my creation is stolen from it.

	28-07-2000 15:42									#8
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Very intresting, but unfortunately I'm off my Linux box right now, so I can't give your diff a shot. Could do you go through the trouble of geting us some screenshots maby?

	28-07-2000 17:10									#9
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There is not much to be seen on a hypothetical screenshots; a client with a popup tool panel with commands
-paint tile
-paint rectangle
-copy
-paste
-undo
These currently only work for terrain and specials (including things like irrigation)

Rulesets are loading via the ruleset.o file from the server. The savegame.o file is linked in, but not used yet (ie you cannot save what you made in this great editor ).

dummy functions have been made to be able to link the files in; much code like network code has been removed.
Unit and city code has not been removed, though it will need to be changed to work for a scenario editor (which is why I didn't think it was appropriate to make it part of the client)
[This message has been edited by Thue (edited July 28, 2000).]

	29-07-2000 09:43									#12
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I plan to get the editor into CVS; *PUF* people will automatically keep it up to date when doing other changes.

I did take a look at all the possibilities before deciding on a stand alone editor. The result was that if I wanted to be able to change things like the city dialog I had to fork the code. (that goes for interfaces all over the client)

Please help me make this version instead of forking; it will be too much work for one person to do, and making two version will be wasted effort. We can set up a CVS server for it.

	29-07-2000 03:59									#13
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It now saves basic maps . Loading maps should work shortly.

	29-07-2000 15:20									#16
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Actually I am not convinced that the seperate map editor way is the best; but both ways have disadvantages (and reliing on the server is ugly and bloated!), and I have made what I have work