19-01-2001 12:59									#1
	Well! Looks like Germany of my game has gone completely flerking ape-poopy. Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

All right, I'm playing France. I've survived pretty dandily, keeping it at five centers. However, lately Italy has decided to attack me, and to cover my losses I snatched Belgium from Germany. Now Germany has apparently... well, decide for yourself. He's sent these messages to all players and GM. (Thava Visvanathan plays England and helped me in getting Belgium.)

Map's at http://bbs.cloud-nine.com:80/upload/M0062W06.gif (or at least it will be after the builds are submitted.)

quote: And from the ashes of Germany there awoke a new reich. The Third Reich.

quote: Well then it looks like Turkey wins solo and you all get no points. Never backstab a bastard. He will turn around and bite you in the arse. I will hand over all my SC's to the Sultan without a fight. They will be yours sir. I will email you with the details later. Kaiser Pat. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thava Visvanathan To: Pat and Najina Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Germany Yeah I suppose, The Russian told me that you had tried to cut a deal with him. But basically when it came to the crunch he thought that you were easier pickings than me. Basically that has been his play all game, divide and rule, pity the petty stabing between the three of us all game has lead to this but remember it was you who destroyed the profitable alliance we had by taking my Belgium. If we had stuck together our combined Forces would have been impregnable to turkey forcing him to take on Italy while we slowly stangled France. But it was not to be and Turkey reaps the rewards. You are not totally dead yet. What you need to do is to threaten to throw the game to Turkey. The threat of a turkish solo will tempt the Italian to change sides as if Turkey solo's then Italy will not gain any points and fail to progress. It will work. It is my intrest that you survive too as if you go down I get no points either. Thava

quote: Sorry, Too late and too little assistance has brought me to this situation. It is a shame no body looked at this scenario last turn before they left me to die. I will not listen now, and unfortunatley the Turk will win a solo. But you can blame nobody but yourelves. If you don't want me to fold and hand over the solo, then I expect concessions from all of you. My demands are unreasonable but they will not change. They are: I want Belgium back, Paris just for the sake of it, the North Sea, Munich with Italian support, and Warsaw because this was the only Supply Centre I wanted from the start. I also want no more attacks on me. That should cover it. KP. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Partridge To: Pat and Najina Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Germany > Hello Pat, > > Well, you can certainly take that route, but I hope that you won't. > As you said to me when I helped Turkey forward, it was you or me and > I didn't have much choice. However that doesn't mean that I've any > desire to see you eliminated, or of course to see Turkey solo. > > May I suggest that you actually still have a reasonable chance of > coming out of this game okay? England has shown that he's not > much of a tactician. Turkey will take it slowly and cautiously. > He can not grab the solo if it is not handed to him, and if that > is the case you can still reach a position of third place, which > actually should be enough to move on to the next round. > > For example, consider removing your army in LVN and your army in > Den. Then retake Bel this spring while moving Sil to Ber and > Swe - Den. Odds are you will bounce with England and get Bel. > That gives you a reasonable defensive position, and France will > not be in a position to try and take Bel back. Turkey can as > easily go hunting for STP as trying to move on you, and I do > have some influence there. I know that he has no love for > England, who communicated rarely if at all during this game. > You at least were a worthy opponent who negotiated regularly. > > Don't give up yet, there are only three game years left to this > game. I'm sure you can hold fourth place, and I don't think that > third is unreasonable. If Turkey does not see the solo, then he > has the top already secured and he has no other real goal, so > playing to help you be third rather than England is a quite reasonable > thing to do, it gives him something interesting to do for the rest > of the game. > > Perhaps you feel that we all deserve to lose and see Turkey take the > solo. I hope not. I think that I had little choice but to play the > route I took, shooting for an honest second place. Austrian play > never gave me much hope of more, and certainly I couldn't have > fought Turkey one on one. I think you've played a decent game as > well, and don't favor seeing that thrown away. Even a decent fourth > could be enough to go onto the next round. Remember, half the players > move on, which is an average of 3.5 per game. So, every other board > should have 4 advancing players. Depending on how Germany has done > as a power in general, you have a quite decent shot at it, and Germany > is not one of the easire powers to play. > > I'll do what i can to persuade England to lay off you as well. Certainly > he has no interest in seeing you throw the game to Turkey, so there's > every chance he'll listen. > > Best regards, > Pope Dave > --- Pat and Najina wrote: > > Well then it looks like Turkey wins solo and you all get no points. > > Never backstab a bastard. > > He will turn around and bite you in the arse. > > > > I will hand over all my SC's to the Sultan without a fight. They will be > > yours sir. I will email you with the details later. > > > > Kaiser Pat. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thava Visvanathan > > To: Pat and Najina > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Germany > > > > > > Yeah I suppose, The Russian told me that you had tried to cut a deal with > > him. But basically when it came to the crunch he thought that you were easier > > pickings than me. Basically that has been his play all game, divide and rule, > > pity the petty stabing between the three of us all game has lead to this but > > remember it was you who destroyed the profitable alliance we had by taking my > > Belgium. If we had stuck together our combined Forces would have been > > impregnable to turkey forcing him to take on Italy while we slowly stangled > > France. But it was not to be and Turkey reaps the rewards. > > > > You are not totally dead yet. What you need to do is to threaten to throw > > the game to Turkey. The threat of a turkish solo will tempt the Italian to > > change sides as if Turkey solo's then Italy will not gain any points and fail > > to progress. It will work. > > It is my intrest that you survive too as if you go down I get no points > > either. > > > > Thava > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

	24-01-2001 10:23									#2
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Turkey is indeed through the horizontal stalemate line. Both in Mos and Mun. I donŽt know how serious Germany is, but IŽd say you, England and Italy together can still force a draw. But you have to work together. Even if Germany seizes to resist Turkey but goes on fighting you, Turkey cannot get more then 15 SCs if you three work together. Talk to Italy. Make sure England and Italy (and possibly Russia too) see the danger and act. Act now. Make it clear that every delay will mean a definite solo for T.

Talk to Germany nontheless. Maybe he can be persuaded to stop talking rubbish and join the game again. Even then I believe that GEI should fight T. You could basically hold still.

Italy is in a good position to stab Turkey. He may lose Gre, but he can get into a very nice position: F Ion, F Adr, A Tri, A Ven, A Tyr. Almost unbreakable.

In the west, move MAO-Gas to cover your posessions. Attack Hol. And get England to move something like:
Eng-Bel
Iri - NAO
Nth S french Bel - Hol
Nwy - Swe