19-02-2000 01:16									#31
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Scouse Gits 2..... i know you need pottery for the HG ..... but i still take B.W. or H.R. and then make the switch to pottery after Monarchy

only one non monarchy tech ....... if possible for me ..... then pottery.....unless i get everyones favorite from a hut WArrior Code

	19-02-2000 08:41									#32
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still dont know how you guys defend so well without Phalanx, Many times a phalnx in my city is al lthat has prevented me losing my captial in an early part of game when the Raging Hordes come tearing across the blackness. Warriors will never hold of the barbs and when an army of barbs attacks a horse or two wont be sufficent to kill all of the attackers... I msut be misisng something , it seems to me that the barbs will attack your weakest point.

	19-02-2000 09:38									#33
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Rasputin...... many of my defenses in x1x1 are based on warriors and dips..... plus lately i have gone back to pumping out settlers again.... with a new twist.... upgrading cities in four city intervals..... trying to time everything just right is nerveracking..... and time consuming... so far i am not sure its working.....

	20-02-2000 08:25									#34
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Ras, part of the secret of defending with warriors early, is to move them out of the city to mountains when you see them coming. Even if they don't survive it doesn't cost you population and hurt barbs can't do as much damage to your cities.

Another trick if it's raging hoards and the barbs are on you quick, is to send your settlers out a little farther and not drop the third city. Until then, you capital is save from barb attacks and it usually leaves you with vets. Nothing funnier than watching a single warrior defend successfully against three chariots on the same turn. I've held off the third city a couple of times when my capital was beseiged early my multiple barbs.

Granted you want to get the cities down quick but not at the expense of your capital.

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	20-02-2000 18:59									#35
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Am i reading you right rah, in that you are saying until your third city the barbs cant conquer your capital , if so you are wrong, because in one game i was palying i only had 2 cities founded and the damn barbs attacked my capital (warrior only) and conquered it, of course game was over for me then , with no palace my production was down and i couldnt catch up to everyone else....

	21-02-2000 03:44									#36
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while i too have succumbed to losing my capital early before, in a game last night i had 7 cities and three barb chariots strolled on my capital making my only warrior in it a vet..... perhaps i was lucky.... however two of my outer rim cities weren't so lucky next few turns

	21-02-2000 04:54									#37
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There's a school of thought that says the Barbs can't take your capital if it's your only city. Frequently, as Rah points out, you'll see a lone warrior holding out against multiple chariot attacks. It is kind of amusing to watch.

Until, for no understandable reason, the Barb buggers do take your capital! They can do it, even if it's your only city. They've done it to me. Thus I no longer subscribe to the school of thought that Barbs won't take your capital if it's your only city.

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	21-02-2000 05:13									#38
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Interesting to see the variety of responses here. In a previous thread, No one had claimed to have lost a defended capital to barbs when it was there only city. I never have. (and that's a lot of games) And since someone suggested that it worked until the third city was placed, I have played under that assumtion. And I HAVE NEVER lost my Capital to barbs. Maybe I'm just the luckiest sucker alive or maybe hosting has something to do with it or the raging hoard setting. It would be nice if we could get some definative answer on this one. Where is XIN when we need him?

Any other experiences with this?

RAH
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	21-02-2000 05:37									#39
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I have bumped an old OCC thread for reference. In the games that you lost your capital, what were the settings.
http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum3/H...html?date=19:29

I couldn't find the earliest thread that discussed this.

RAH

	21-02-2000 06:06									#40
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I had to go test this.
Set up an MP game with just myself an one ai.
Deity, Raging hoard, 2x1x and played the Romans.
Built one city and put one warrior in it and then set the city to no growth or production once it got to size three and waited for the barbs.
Over 20 attacks by horseman and chariots.
Not one lick of damage to the warrior.
I even reset one sequence when dual chariots attacked a couple of times. No damage.
Went all the way to 500 bc. Capital survived.
Please try to replicate this test.

If i get a few spare minutes, i'll try it with two cities.

RAH
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	21-02-2000 06:30									#41
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i am willing to bet Finbars lost capital was a glitch..... i have only lost my capital when being careless and it wasnt' with only one city either..... however this does not guarrante that this is absolute.... although i feel as if it is.... bugs or glitches appear in civ2 all the time.... as far as i am concerned..... a nuke could appear from a lake on a barb trireme and i wouldn't be surprised

	21-02-2000 15:47									#42
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LOL War, Perhaps not surprised, but sure as hell somewhat upset!

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	21-02-2000 16:57									#43
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Bronze,then the path to Monarchy.
Usually.
If I'm fortunate enough to build on rivers or near other specials that can get my trade and science cooking, then I may take some good war advances first. Like horses,wheel and/or warrior code.
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	21-02-2000 17:25									#44
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Regarding the single-city vs. barbs: I agree with rah; this has never failed in my experience. When I first discovered this (a couple years ago), I cheated some barb armors next to my city, which was defended by a warrior. Not a scratch on the warrior.

I believe finbar plays on the mac; maybe that explains his different experience.

	21-02-2000 17:39									#45
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The single city is untouchable for barbs!

The question is if two cities are?

Edited part: Since Rah posted about holding off the third city.

Carolus

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	21-02-2000 21:01									#46
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I've seen the same thing happen when I only have two cities... Either that, or my non vet warriors were a heck of a lot tougher than I gave them credit for

Yeah rah, you brought it up, so go test it!

	22-02-2000 06:25									#47
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Yeah, I play on a Mac. It was a customised map, a duel hosted by someone else, Deity and Raging Hordes. By the zillion. The first couple of attacks left my Warrior unscathed. Then came a swarm of chariots - boom!

I know it's happened to at least 2 other players - one Mac, one PC. I screamed loudly when it happened, because I was under the impression that it couldn't happen. These 2 players told me to stop grizzling, it had happened to them.



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	22-02-2000 06:28									#48
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PS. On the other hand, in the countless other games I've played, my capital (as my only city) has survived onslaughts that would have decimated any other city.

So maybe it's a glitch. If so, it's just a tad annoying.

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	22-02-2000 13:03									#49
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like prozzack said..... it sucks to be you

	22-02-2000 16:11									#50
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