28-01-2001 01:01									#1
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Wes, Harlan
I've Completed the movement parts of the Chariot Sprite. Just the battle, death and Idle scenes to do but that shouldn't take too long.

Spent a lot of time fidling with the TGA's but decided just to do a TGA with a normal shadow rather than the way Activision did it.

I will add an idle pose to the the earlier units I did with at least a static pose so that they end up facing the same way as the Activision units.

Harlan, Thanks for the siege tower. I'll create a sprite after the chariot. Shouldn't take very long.

I'll also finish off a WWI tank Sprite fairly soon and maybe finish off a cavalry archer sprite (Mongol style). Wes, I know you didn't like it but.. .

	28-01-2001 01:02									#2
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P.S. Who do I send them to these days at Apolyton?

	28-01-2001 01:19									#3
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That would be me.... Markos' has the little forms to fill out that are found on the db pages. But if you just want to send it to me directly I won't mind, as long as you give me a description and a 200x150 pic to add to the db.

Rich

	28-01-2001 08:25									#4
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What program do you use for creating the sprites?
(please be freeware )Do you draw one picture after another just changing it slightly each time or a 3D program like blender?

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	28-01-2001 10:04									#5
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Sounds good, Tom, but please don't forget about the Partisan. I *need* this unit for the mod. I am also currently using a different colored version of the Marine as the Rifleman unit, so it would be nice to have a WWI or WWII British Tommy.

Also, if anyone else wants to try their hand at one of these units, I would be happy to see what you come up with. (No use letting Tom have *all* the fun. )

	28-01-2001 14:30									#6
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Omnigod- What format for the 200x150 file?

Darknight - I use Raydream 3D and then paintshop Pro to edit some of the shadows.

Wes - Haven't forgotten about the other Sprites - although I'm trying They may take a little while.

	28-01-2001 16:25									#7
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Hello Morgoth, here's a list of some sprites that could be interesting to have.


- A WW2 bomber (the one from Harlan is nice, but is not animated).
- An early jet fighter (same as above)
- An early plane (with 2 wings, same remark as above)
- A WW2 aircraft carrier (same as above)
- A modern jet fighter different from the interceptor (it will be a fighter bomber, so it would be nice to have some missile launching animation). An A10 whartog could be very nice.
- A 18 century musketer (with a tricorn, same looking as the new unit for CIV3)
- An amphibious assault boat (the big one used by the Americans, that can carry some helicopters, AV8, marines, etc...
- An MLRS,
- A battleship different from the existing one (to make modern battleship with missile).
- Infantry from the napoleonic wars
- Infantry from WWI
- Infantry from WW2
- Modern infantry
- More cavaliers : Dragoon, Hussard, Cuirassier, Ulhan...
- A crusader (with a nice white coat and a red cross).
- A truck
- A Armored Personnal Carrier (a Bradley for instance)

	28-01-2001 20:51									#8
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Omnigod
Have posted the Sprite to you with the jpg file. I tried using the form but kept getting an error message 'Unknown tag : requirement'. Not sure what I did wrong!

	28-01-2001 21:15									#9
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The format for the image is jpg or gif, your choice. As for what's wrong with the submitting thing... I think Mark will have to check that out. For now just email the file to me with whatever you want to say in it. I'll get it up before the Superbowl if it comes by 2:00pm EST

Rich

	28-01-2001 21:33									#10
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Rich
Should already have it unless its hung up somewhere. I sent it out before I posted the last message.

I used the e-mail link to yourself that was on the same page as the form.

	29-01-2001 02:16									#11
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Apparently it's hung up somewhere.... hmmm... give it another try maybe it's just being tempermental. I'll try to get it up ASAP for all those TD fans Which I am one.

Rich

	29-01-2001 04:11									#12
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Okay youu all convinced me. I'm a avid 3dmax user, and I'll see what I can do today. I'll start with a tank, because there are lots of them on my computer. Give me a couple of days and I'll get back to you.

	29-01-2001 19:18									#14
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The pieces are just about in place for me.

I've been waiting for this sprite for awhile

How about a siege tower??? (D'oh I guess I should read the first post in this thread)
[This message has been edited by hexagonian (edited January 29, 2001).]

	30-01-2001 00:27									#16
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Omnigod
Have resent the sprite today so you should get it. I never received an eror message so the first version should have been sent OK so don't know what went wrong.

	30-01-2001 00:38									#17
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Got it and it's going up as I type. The great Morgoth has returned with a vengence in this his first CTP2 sprite. Gotta love the TD

Rich

	30-01-2001 00:54									#18
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David, what are you talking about, "The pieces are just about in place for me."?

To make Ctp1 pics, you have to use a screen-capture program. I played the videos using Media Player, and captured the specific image I wanted. I think they turned out better then the originals in some instances. The only draw-back is that, as far as I know, you can't readily transfer them to the Ctp2 background.

	30-01-2001 10:09									#19
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Dave's got a nice little scenario going... all hush hush and stuff It's 5.8 megs... and based mainly in the ancient starting around 7000BC... it sounds great and when he gets it ready and tested a little it'll find it's way to the db... but first he needed the chariot

Rich

	31-01-2001 03:37									#20
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I appreciate this greatly, tom, but I was hoping for a sort of scythe chariot, with serrated wheels and an armored warrior with a big spear or sword. I hope someday you get around to a Assault Chariot unit.
-CB

	31-01-2001 09:35									#21
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Why an Assault Chariot? The scythed chariots used occasionally by late Achaemenid Persians and some Diadochi were strictly one-time-use weapons: the driver aimed them at the enemy and jumped before contact! (Treat them as Ancient Cruise Missiles?). The most common chariot is the one we got a (simplified) sprite for: a missile-platform to harass and soften up enemy infantry with thrown javelins or archery before your own infantry goes in. The only other major variety of chariot was the infantry carrier: the Celts of Britain, especially, used the chariot to get them rapidly to some spot where they could jump off, fight, and jump back on and get away in a hurry.
If you were to concentrate on the period of Chariot Warfare (roughly 2800BC to 50BC) you'd have three types:
Missile Platform
Scythed 'cruise missile'
Organic Personnel Carrier (OPC)
Possible variations would be the Indian 4-horse chariot with 4 - 5 crewmen - mostly spear chuckers and archers with separate shield-holders, it was an attempt to get a chariot big enough to carry as many men as an elephant could - ended up being as slow as an elephant, and much, much more clumsy. Other variation would be the Chinese chariots, with crossbowmen and shield-carriers in them.
All chariots were horribly vulnerable to regular horsemen. The chariot (especially the light 2-horse models) could be as fast as cavalry, but was always out maneuvered by cavalry and if the horsemen get behind the chariot, the men in the chariot are completely unprotected. Every chariot army that went up against cavalry got chewed up and spat out in short order.
Therefore, whatever factors you allow for chariots, jack up the horseman's factors against them. Last point: chariots are expensive. Records from the Bronze Age Enpires (Egypt, Hittites, Myceneans) indicate that chariot gear and parts were a major item of expense, both to obtain and to maintain. Think about it: you not only need 2+ horses per chariot, but they have to be trained to work as a team, not just one on one with a rider: costs time and money to do that. Plus the chariots themselves were, for the time, sophisticated machinery: harness, metal-tired spoked wheels (balanced, too!) and lots and lots of weapons - chariots regularly carried extra javelins, bows, masses of arrows. All this was far more munitions than required to equip the same number of men on foot, so chariots were almost always the Elite of the Army to justify the expenses.

	31-01-2001 09:51									#22
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Simply stunning...

I'm a happy camper!

	01-02-2001 04:38									#23
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Thanks for the sprite. Also thanks for the information on its use and cost. i was wondering what it should cost to build and mantain.