29-03-2000 12:35									#1
	CHALLENGE: City of Wonders Tired of ads?

I propose the following challenge (which may or may not have been offered in the past-I don't know):

Playing at raging hordes, normal production and moves, deity level, seven civs-

Build every single wonder in your capital. I care not whether you play this as OCC or otherwise, merely that every wonder must be built in your starting city, with none built by the ai-s.

-KhanMan

	29-03-2000 21:40									#2
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This is no challenge.It´s a matter of luck in the early stages, and an easy go thru from the mid age wonders to the end.

	30-03-2000 10:52									#3
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Khan Man,

I have a scenario like that in place. I play tested yesterday. But, it was based on
one city and u won by getting to ac first and having the highest score. Built every wonder but the lighthouse.

Oedon,

Not a challenge?? Are u playing FW or MEG??


Also, when one has an occ competition it might be better to seperate FW from MEG.
In FW it is just too easy to get money and
tech from the AI player.

MEG seems to be wonder crazy too. When i did
play test my scenario i found that the computer reserched Genetic Eng. over higher rated tech just so it could build the cure for cancer.

	30-03-2000 01:55									#4
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Can i use a premade map with 7 islands?

6 rocks and 1 paradise

	30-03-2000 07:10									#5
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I have done this more than once. The main problem is production capacity, not science. The early wonders are the hardest, so you find out quickly if you lose. Because of production problems, I doubt it can be done with one city. Perhaps the challenge should read: With how few cities can you build all the wonders?

	30-03-2000 07:18									#6
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I agree the earliest wonders would be the hardest to get all. You would probably want to aquire trade as soon as possible. Than you could start pumping out the caravans. After that point it's all down hill. Good terrain would play a big part - someone say luck?!

	30-03-2000 07:52									#7
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I have done it with four cities using no caravans. I was downright close to doing it with 2 cities, but I couldn't quite keep up.

Of course with a custom map like the one suggested above there will be no problem with one city doing it.

	30-03-2000 18:55									#8
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Play on a small map, find the AIs, go to war with them, and they'll spend their shields making armies. Eliminate AIs except for one city, (similar to max scoring game attempts where you build 255 cites) build wonders at your leisure. You do have to find them fast though. Crank you science down, the AI will also. It will buy you some additional time finding them.

RAH

	01-04-2000 12:59									#9
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Geofelt-It *is* possible to build them all in one city. It's also extremely easy to do it, if you don't have the one city rule...

Besides RAH's enlightened conquest route, the best way, IMHO, is to set up a four city "ring" around your wonder city, using the four cities to pump caravans into the wonder city.

It's possible, just tough.

O-Nope, it has to be every wonder, or there's no point...after all, who among us can't at least get the major wonders about half the time?

-KhanMan

	02-04-2000 19:39									#10
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old challenge, but why always the 7civs or deity???

i still consider it a challenge with 6civs on empror for example...

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	03-04-2000 09:16									#11
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I came close awhile ago...17 wonders in one city. It was the "world" map, standard terrain bonuses, random player placement. We, the almighty Persians were ploped smack down on Ol' Muddy...the Mississippi River. Great trade and science there. Not too much production, a few trees perhaps; but if I recall, I ended up rush-building many of them because I had the luxury of a huge treasury.

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	03-04-2000 03:11									#12
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In the early game, before you get trade, the biggest danger is an opponent building the pyramid. (the AI's Favorite.) The only way to stop them, (short of building it first, which is tough if your racing to trade), is to attack them, the AI's have a tendency to stop building wonders when they're at war. If every Civ is at war with somebody, you have a chance. You have to help.

RAH

	03-04-2000 05:01									#13
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yep.thats the one.the ai seems to hold the Pyramids in high regard and usually several will start it and switch to something else(usually The Wall or The Gardens).On deity you need some good luck.I think very rugged maps may help also

	03-04-2000 07:43									#14
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Trajanus-The only reason being that I've gotten to the point where I can consistantly win the challenge at king level, and the seven civs and barbs at raging just add to the difficulty.

RAH-Not only that, it's actually a dangerous wonder for you to own, at deity level, as I'm sure you're aware. The population boom does more damage, IMHO, than good, at anywhere above king-level.

-KhanMan, Mountaineer of the Sayen Tribe