14-02-2001 05:47									#1
	La Rochelle Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

(Another thread opening for today before my weekly trip to Madriz)

Guys (particularly Waku ),

what can you tell me about the naval battle of La Rochelle (Middle Ages)? This not-very-known battle and the causes that originated it could serve as the basis for a very interesting scenario (Fiera, perhaps you had it in mind already?)
[This message has been edited by Jay Bee (edited February 13, 2001).]

	14-02-2001 06:01									#2
	Inflate your Upload Space

It has to do with Bertrand DuGuesclin, right?

	14-02-2001 06:11									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Just a question: have you read "The White Company" (aquí La Compañía Blanca), by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

It's probably my favourite novel (well, The Quijote comes first actually, but still)... It's about the English who fought in Spain in Pedro el Cruel's side...

	14-02-2001 06:15									#5
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

No, I haven't. I know very little about the subject, that's why I asked. So I guess you recommend this book to me. Can you give me the bibliographical info?

What do you think of this idea for a scenario? Where you planning on adding something along these lines to your scenario?


PS. There is a guy on these forums who uses the nick Bertrand du Guesclin. I haven't seen him lately though.

	14-02-2001 07:39									#8
	Tired of ads?

I don't seem to remember very well now...

And btw, didn't he say that there were already a lot of scenarios taking place in the Peninsula?

	14-02-2001 07:58									#10
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Jay Bee, I know some things about Bertrand du Guesclin. He was the eldest of 10 children born to Regnaut du Guesclin, who, despite his impressive-soundind title of Lord of Lamotte, was a minor Breton vassel of modest means. Short, stout, ugly and awkward, Bertrand was described by a contemporary as being "of middle height,black(i.e.swarthy), with a flat nose, grey eyes, long arms and great shoulders." Disliked by most of his neighbors and even by his parents, he developed into a bully and a thug, accustomed to physical violence, unafraid to bear pain and eager to inflict it. I have more of his early life, but nothing on the sea fight you mention. I know that he defeated Charles the bad, King of Navarre at Cocherel. I know he aided Don Henrique of Trastamare against Don Pedro the cruel. By 1367, Guesclin led his army of Spainards and mercenaries to victory, and had seen Henrique crowned King of Castile. He was soon defeated by England's Black Prince at Najera on April 3,1367. Within two years of his defeat guesclin helped a resurgent Henrique to recover the upper hand and kill Don Pedro. Most of this info can be found in "The Hundred Years War" by Robin Neillands, and "Medieval Warlords" by Tim Newark. I hope this was of some help.

------------------
All knowledge begins with the phrase: I don't know.

	14-02-2001 08:11									#11
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

cpoulos, thanks for the info! What you comment about Du Guesclin's personality fits well his less-than-honorable behavior during the assassination of Pedro I. At that moment Du Guesclin pronounced one of the most famous phrases of Spain's history: "I am neither dethroning nor crowning a king -- I am just assisting my sire"

Du Guesclin did not 'directly' participate in La Rochelle battle. That battle was fought between Castile and England and resulted in a very humiliating defeat for the English navy. It is quite surprising (or maybe not? ) that info on this battle is so scarce.

	14-02-2001 08:26									#13
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

If you can give me a date to work with, I can try the New York Public Library database, it is pretty large and might have something on it.[/quote]

I do not know the exact date. 1370's perhaps but I am not sure.

quote: But I will try to track down the elusive La Rochelle battle.

Good, thanx!

quote: Oh, BTW, I think Gladiator will sweep the oscars.

Fiera is gonna be happy to see this, look at his location field
[This message has been edited by Jay Bee (edited February 13, 2001).]

	14-02-2001 08:38									#18
	Got spare money?

Viva Espana! Good night guys, and don't forget your girls tomorrow, or they will make sure that they will never let you hear the end of it!

	14-02-2001 11:25									#19
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Here is what the Atlas of Naval Warfare says about the battle of La Rochelle (22-23 June 1372): "The English send a fleet under Lord Pembroke to the Bay of Biscay to relieve the besieged La Rochelle. During an attempted forcing of the harbour entrance, they are subject to a surprise attack by a Franco-Castillan fleet under Ambrosio Bocanegra. On the first day the contest is indecisive, but, on the second day, Pembroke is captured and the English fleet almost completely destroyed."

	15-02-2001 10:02									#20
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

O.K., I looked for several hours on the net and came up with this. Most acounts don't even talk about naval warfare.

------------------
All knowledge begins with the phrase: I don't know.

	14-02-2001 23:01									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

JB,

Too busy yesterday to walk around here (f*%#ing job!).

Here we go...
http://www.bnf.fr/enluminures/manus...an1/i3_0046.htm http://rococo.ele.cie.uva.es/ismael/med/lr1372.html

Hope to be back with more after searching the web more thoroughly.

PS: Do you understand french JB? Si tu veux je peu chercher aussi en français.

	15-02-2001 00:00									#22
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Have fun:


http://francois.delboca.free.fr/fsnavale.html

http://www.unipissing.ca/department...ssart/tales.htm

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/revie...er/art11w98.htm

http://gallica.bnf.fr/Fonds_Tables/003/M0033082.htm


[This message has been edited by Waku (edited February 14, 2001).]

	15-02-2001 00:59									#23
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Hey Waku, you sure can make a guy look small! I tried for three hours and only came up with that little scrap! Excellent research work.

------------------
All knowledge begins with the phrase: I don't know.

	17-02-2001 03:59									#25
	Got spare money?

Waku, thanks so much for the links!

PS. je ne parle francaise ná de ná ... but I've got Altavista!