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Jay Bee
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Valladolid, CA
Jan 1970
time: 06:14
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(oops I did it again.... sorry Fiera, I edited your post instead of replying to it with a quote  Fortunately I think I could amend my stupidity)
Yes, I know Schulten. I think that sometimes his theories were a bit faulty. For example, Schulten provided 'proof' for the physical presence of the Etruscans in the Iberian peninsula. His proof? Pieces of etruscan pottery found in Andalusia... pieces that later were found to be introduced in Spain by the Greeks. Read "Iberia in Prehistory", by MC Fernandez Castro, History of Spain directed by John Lynch (Blackwell, Oxford).
As far as I know, Schulten never provided convincing proof for his theories regarding Tartessos. Same with those cities that the Greeks reputedly founded in Eastern Spain (Hemeroskopeion, Alonis and Akra-Leuke). Aside from stories, myths, etc... there is no proof that these cities ever existed.
I guess the problem here is that the only convincing proof wiil be the discovery of archeological remains... who knows, maybe the Arabs destroyed the ruins of Tartessos to build Madinat Zahra! (I am joking). My two cents.
Yes, let's open that thread. I am eager to hear your opinions. Schulten' theories can be fascinating as a starting point. Fiera, open the thread yourself please (I've already opened too many!).
PS. No, I had not noticed the barcode. Another for me.
[This message has been edited by Jay Bee (edited March 01, 2001).]
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Masis
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London
May 1999
time: 05:14
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Yeah-the bar codes-taking the mick out of the Phonecian skill of trade...
It seems that the historical referances to 'Tarshish' actually refer to Tarsos in todays southern Turkey, the name still holds and has not been Turkified.
An old history book i have shows Tartessos in the region of Andalusia and the name seems to refer to a state rather than a city, perhaps there was a Tarsos 'empire' once like the later Carthaginian empire.
An empire that had bases in Hispania, yet after the invasion of the 'Sea People' and the destructiveness of the Assyrians, the city of Tarsos could no longer be a viable capital and so only the colonies in southern Hispania were left, hence the name Tartessos, after Tarsos in Cilicia-todays southern Turkey.
That is what happened to the 'empire' of Tyros, the main base of the Phonecians, they too suffered from the wrath of the Assyrians and the city of Tyros never recovered its full economic strength, leaving the colonies in north Africa, mainly Kartadash or Carthage to take control of the trade network.
Thats my theory anyway, what do you think?
Oh yes, here is a link to some information on Tartessos
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