01-03-2001 20:20									#1
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All the talk of what happened to who recently in the new world got my mind to thinking: Who were the greatest explorers from the lands of Iberia, and why do we think so? As always, I will hear from you fellows before I put down my own thoughts. Land or sea explorers can be named, as it doesn't matter either way.

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	01-03-2001 20:44									#2
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Well, if you recognize the conquerors of the unknown lands as explorers, I guess among the most important were Hernan Cortez (Mexico) and Francisco Pizarro (sp?) (Peru).
Others would be Magellan (Pacific), Vasco da Gama (I'd say Portugese count too) (Africa/India), Cabaral (Southern Atlantic), Medana (how do I put that ~ on the n?) (Pacific), and maybe Vilabolos (Pacific, Philippines). I could name so many more, but these were the most important ones. Maybe you'd want to include Columbus, Coronado and others too, but I don't know if their discoveries were really that great.
Now if it comes to the greatest German explorers, that'd be very interesting .
[This message has been edited by Stefan Härtel (edited March 01, 2001).]

	01-03-2001 21:16									#3
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For this topic, Portugal does indeed count, Stefan! That's why I said Iberia, not Spain. And if you want to put german ones, go ahead! I like to hear all opinions!

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	02-03-2001 10:24									#5
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The discoverer of the Pacific Ocean was Núñez de Balboa, not Magellan. Other 'top' explorers were Ponce de León, Cabeza de Vaca, Valdivia, Rodríguez Hurtado, García de Paredes, Orellana, Rodríguez Cabrillo (Portuguese)... and of course, Lope de Aguirre

A late, but very important one was Alessandro Malaspina (yeah, italo), a truly explorer, not a conquistador. His was the first ducumented voyage of scientific exploration in history. How many of you rememeber/know about him? He should have sought fortune in England, not in Spain

My 'favorite'? Hernán Cortés hands down. Fascinating life indeed. Close second, Cabeza de Vaca.


Believe it or not some of the guys cited by Stefan are totally unknown to me.

PS. The ñ is not a n with a ~!!! It's just that, a ñ

	02-03-2001 02:18									#11
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You've forgotten about Juan Sebastián Elcano, the man who got to finish what Magellanes, unfortunately, couldn't...

You've also forgotten about a less known explorer, Pedro Fernández de Quirós, whom I have a (very) remote chance to descend from...

And, finally, I think that Pizarro is more important than even Cortés, since he discovered and conquered a larger and more populated empire than México.

But I won't talk much about him until I've finished his scn...

	02-03-2001 06:46									#14
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El Adelantado don Rodrigo Diaz de Carreras!

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	02-03-2001 07:37									#15
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Si, algun dia hare un scenario!

	02-03-2001 21:32									#16
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O.K., here is my list of explorers

1. Columbus Without him, no others would follow.
2. Vasco Da Gama Broke the Muslim hold on trade by reaching India.
3. Magellan Remarkable man who treated natives with respect! Most unusal for his time.
4. Juan Sebastian Del Cano Sadly the first man to circumnavigate the earth is almost forgotten.
5. Pero da Covilha One of the most remarkable men in history. Patriot, Man of learning, brave to a fault, secretly opened the way for Portugal.
6. Honorable mention To the men who followed the brave men of the sea, and set their flag on two continents.

	03-03-2001 10:30									#18
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It is the standard english spelling. Since I've been posting here, I have noticed that quite a few spanish names are spelled different in English. I wonder why that is? Ignorence on the part of English translations is most likely. I used to read French fairly well (years ago, and not anymore, I'm sorry to say) and the same thing happens when french is translated to english. Most histories mispell names. I wonder if we will ever get a consenses on this. Probaly not.

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	02-03-2001 23:44									#20
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cpoulos, look at this: Christopher Columbus/Cristobal Colon/Cristoforo Colombo There is no hope I'm afarid to say.
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	03-03-2001 00:47									#21
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"Funde Caracas."
"Fundo Caracas?"
"Acerte a fundarla!!!"
"Acerto a fundarla... y tanto acerto, que la fundo en pleno centro de Caracas! Que YA ESTABA FUNDADA! Y el no lo vio..."
"Es que, con el apuro!"

	03-03-2001 01:11									#22
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Por lo que fue detenido y desterrado a Puerto Rico por fundación ilícita

	03-03-2001 03:23									#25
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my favourite explorer is Vasco Nuñez de Balboa, I read a lot about him and I really liked his history,
by the way, Pizarro was under his command, so when Pizarro arrived to America the spaniards didn´t even know that the Pacific ocean existed..., first point in the "debate"