19-03-2001 02:05									#1
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Sorry if this is "off topic," but I think this would be the more apporopriate place to put this thread.

The most recent census numbers show that Latinos have overtakend blacks and now constitute the largest racial minority in the United States. This will undoubtedly have huge effects on American society, and we here are just beginning to feel them.

An infusion of Latino culture and the Spanish language over the past ten years reflects the changing face of America.

I was just wondering what people thought of this development

PS: i feel so stupid now because I took french in High School instead of Spanish

	19-03-2001 02:32									#3
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I think there's currently like 25-30 million people who have Spanish as the first language in the USA. That's a lot, and considering their 'growth rate' the US will soon become the 2nd country of the world with the highest number of Spanish speakers (The 100 million people of Mexico is hard to beat

My opinion? I'm one of them! Unlike a few years ago, I noticed Latino people are growing in confidence and sense of pride. Now for example they do not hide their origin by refusing to speak Spanish or change their names from Pedro to Peter... small steps yet, but on the right track.

Waku: you are absolutely right. This is one of these things nobody understand here. Still nobody fixes it. Along these lines, do the Spaniards qualify as Latino people? That depends on who you ask. Some will say yes, some will say no. In the end they let you decide. No kidding. Of course I always tick the latino box. I love you political correctness!

	19-03-2001 02:32									#4
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It's actually interesting. I made a mistake because the census reports Latinos as an ethnic group, and not a race. Therefore, a black person can classify themselves as black AND latino. There was a New York times article about how the new classification options gave something like 3 million people to classify themselves as more than one race or ethnicity.

	19-03-2001 02:37									#5
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He, he, in the last California census they put it a bit easier to me, that's true. I had to choose between "White, not of Hispanic origin" and "Latino/Hispanic". Problem is, strictly speaking I am Spanish, not Hispanic.

	19-03-2001 02:40									#6
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California is also very interesting because just in the past year, it became one of maybe 3 states that does not have a white (non-hispanic) majority. That is going to be extremely important since california is so important in American politics and society. Pete Wilson was a real idiot for his strong anti-immigrant stance.

	19-03-2001 02:50									#7
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yes, I don´t know if the spaniards are hispanic or not
I spent last year in the us and they put me as hispanic, but I´m caucasian...
not that I care about my skin color...

I think that the hispanic in the us are going to lose the spanish quite fast

the third generation doesn´t speak spanish anymore
at least in Illinois and Wisconsin, maybe in California is different

Jay Bee, are you living in the US???

	19-03-2001 02:54									#8
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Everyone loses their language once they come to the U.S. after a while. The first generation mostly speaks the native language and sometimes struggle with English, the second generation understands the language and occasionally speaks it, but primarily speak English. Usually, the third generation doesn't know any of the native language. That's the case with most of the people I know, including myself (I am a 3rd generation Dutch-American, but I don't consider myself Dutch in the least bit due to the fact that the only thing that connects me with Holland is my appearance) and last name.

	19-03-2001 19:52									#10
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yes, but weren´t you living in Toledo?
I thought that you used to live there but we were back to your mother country

	20-03-2001 03:08									#12
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well... there have been exciting (?) developments in that respect. I can't be more precise just yet.