08-03-2001 23:32									#1
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Rather than me jumping into other posts and 'hijacking' them, I was thinking about how much the land of Hispanis has contributed to the Roman Empire and been in the position to change the course of history.
In particular I was thinking of the Roman Emperor Theodosius the Great
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Of course, he was one of many great Emperors who could call Hispania their home.
Lets discuss the others, now who were they....?

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	08-03-2001 23:45									#2
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He, he .
[Hispanic Pride Remark]
Rome reached its zenith under Trajan and Hadrian, two Spanish emperors. Coincidence? I think not
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I think there were no other Spanish emperors but I do not know it for sure.


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	09-03-2001 07:24									#4
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And Maximus!

oh, no, he wasn't real...

edit: okok, this joke is a bit copied from what Fiera has under his name
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	09-03-2001 07:30									#5
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Who was Marcus Aurelius-the Emperor feutured in the Blockbuster 'Gladiator'? Click on the image of him to find out http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02109a.htm
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EDITED BY JAY BEE
The pic was too big and messed up the page margins. Masis, please try not to post such larger images. In addition to messing up the pages, they take ages to download


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	09-03-2001 23:26									#6
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just two spanish emperors... but the greatest

Spain and Egypt were the granary of Rome, and all the artist, writers...

	10-03-2001 01:09									#8
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Link should work now. The problem was the " before the actual address

	10-03-2001 04:46									#9
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So, who was Marcu Aurelius, the Emperor feutured in the BlockBuster film-Gladiator? Click on the image to find out

Is this picture ok Jay Bee?
Traianus and Hadrianus were not the only Great Roman Emperors who hailed from Hispania-if you looked at the first post-you will learn of the last Roman Emperor to rule over the Western and Eastern sections of Romania (land of the Romans).

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	10-03-2001 06:56									#11
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So who is this Trajan?
Apart from his attempted reconquest of Germania Magna, counter attacks against the Dacians and their later conquest, his excellent strategic march down both the Euphrates and Tigris rivers in Mesopotamia, that led to the capture of Ctesiphon-capital of the Parthians and then reaching the Persian gulf.
Impressive Indeed
Lets find out more...

"This man commands Qwack legions, He ****s as high as any in Wome" Pontios Pilate telling the crowds of the merits of his collegue-Monty Python and the Life of Brain

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	11-03-2001 07:54									#13
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Please could you explain why do you see Peninsula history only as Spain history.

	12-03-2001 23:33									#15
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Dizepam-Hispania is the official name given to the whole penninsula by the wise Romans, I advise you do a little cyber-reading on the subject on the net to find out more.
Personally for me I try not to use the term 'Iberian' because to me Iberia is the old name of the ex-soviet state of Georgia.
You can read a little of the Royal family of Iberia Here

Now back to sunny Hispania...

A lot of the Emperors seem to have come from a town called Italica-what is this town exactly? Click on the column to find out

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	12-03-2001 23:37									#16
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In answer to when did Portugal officially become an independent kingdom-according to this book I have-1139 AD, apparently during the time of the Second Crusade, the English fleet helped the Portugese take Lisbon from the Almohad Caliphate.

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	12-03-2001 23:38									#17
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The column isnt a link.

	13-03-2001 03:42									#18
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Works ok with me...strange...

Anyway back to Rome- lets learn about who Hadrian was and what he did. I think there is some information just a few paragraphs down on this site.

"Wait till Bigus Dicus hears about this!" Pontios Pilate enfuriated at this prefect-Monty Python and the Life of Brain.
"He has a wife you know, you know what's she called? Her name is Incontinentia-Incontinentia Buttocks"-Pontios Pilate still infuriated at his Prefect-Monty Python and the Life of Brain.

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	17-03-2001 05:54									#19
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You didn't understand me. I know that Hispania was the name of this peninsula. What I tried to say was that you have a tendency to regard the events in the Peninsula before Spain or Portugal existed as part of your history only. Jasev please notice that the reign of Portugal was created before the reign of Spain, 1143 I think. Masis Portugal beame independet long before the conquest of Lisbon. Please don't be ofended with my comments, as a matter of fact I'd be happier if the peninsula was reunited.

	18-03-2001 10:05									#22
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How good is your Latin?
Well mine is cacare, but if your Caput is working ok check this site out on the works of Seneca...

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	19-03-2001 21:31									#23
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Dizepam, I knew you would misundestand me. I already knew Portugal became an independent nation before Spain (if you read again my last post, you'll see I said Portugal became independent from the kingdom of León). I tried to say that Spain was a historical entity, including Portugal. Portugal became independent from León as Castilla did, but castilla unified later with León and Portugal did not. But the normal course of the history would have conducted to an united peninsula (call it "Iberia", if you wish); that is the reason why Salvador de Madariaga said Portugal was a "Historical Accident". Portugal should have joined Spain as Castilla y León, Aragón and Navarra; but it wasn't possible, what a pity. That is the reason we talk about "spanish history" including Portugal: Spain was a historical reality centuries before becoming a united Nation. When Portugal became independent (1143), the portuguese left this historical unity they once belonged. But you are wrong when you talk about Spanish history thinking it's only the history of the spanish people; spanish history before portuguese independence is YOUR history too.

I disagree with Jay Bee: It was a luck for Portugal to avoid the Spanish history becoming a free nation. For example, they didn't suffer as many civil wars as us. And their de-colonization process was quite better than ours.
But an unified football league could be a great idea, I'll take note about it.
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	24-03-2001 06:33									#24
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Well Jasev, you're rigth when you say that Spanish History is my History also, that was what I was trying to say. You say in your post that Spain was an historical reality centuries before becoming an united Nation. I think that's not that linear. Please notice that different regions of Spain have very different cultures (different languages for example). It would not be that strange if they stayed independent. You must also undesrtand that I am not that good in History, I know what I learned in school and only a little more. I'm now studying Portugues History just for fun, but I have little time for that. I don't know how was your de-colonization process but ours was terrible. We had a war in Brasil and terrible wars in Africa, and let those African countries emerged in civil wars, that's not what I call a well made de-colonization. About uniting the football leagues I think it wouldn't be a good idea because our league is very, very, very bad, in oposition to yours wish is, in my opinion, the best in the World. So portuguese teams would be playing in the second division after some years.
Just a side commentary for you to see I'm well intencioned, I read a book from Jorge Luis Borges this week and I think it's very good.