06-03-2001 07:07									#1
	Whats the logic behind permanent Terra Incognita? Inflate your Upload Space

Sure, maybe nobody in the world then new about or had discovered certain areas of the world yet, but why make them permanent terra incognita? i don't get it.

	06-03-2001 07:49									#2
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In the manual it says its area where no man at the time could go because it was too cold or something.

	06-03-2001 08:20									#3
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Yeah, based on the technology, no European army could go trouncing in the Rockies or inner Africa.

	06-03-2001 08:57									#4
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Also, do you want even LONGER load times? The map is plenty big as is.

	06-03-2001 10:11									#5
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While you can certainly change history, the game attempts to maintain an atmosphere of the time period and the permanent Terra Incognita does that.

	06-03-2001 10:33									#6
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I read that with really high technology, they can be explored.

	06-03-2001 10:48									#7
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No, permanent Terra Incognita is permanent. It's with higher technology that non Conquistador units can explore normal TI.

	06-03-2001 21:11									#8
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Although it's interesting to note that in the boardgame version, (which I own) there are Terra Incognita areas, but less of them. Quite a few of the ones in the computer game can be explored and colonized, like the rest of North and South America.

I personally would have prefered to see less TI, but the concept itself is good.

Joe

	06-03-2001 21:29									#9
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But that can be changed in a custom scenario, I would think. For example, being the first European power to discover the source of the Colorado River in the Rockies. Unless, you can't expose regions that are not there...?

	15-03-2001 06:46									#10
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hey, is boardgame as complex as is this, computer version?

I imagine it may be fun, but who does all the calculations? Or it is much more simplified? Is number of provinces same? (while we are at it, how many provinces are there in EU?)

I played Risk, but even that (very simple game) can become really tedious and boring to play ... how does EU rate compared to it?

	15-03-2001 07:20									#11
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I've heard that the board game takes a day to just set up and several months to play. I imagine that it is horribly complex and that it's complete pain in the ass to finish.

	20-03-2001 10:17									#12
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The game is played in 5 year turns apparently but many of the mechanics from the CG are close approximations of the BG that inspired it. Fortunately the computer can keep track of all the paperwork without you having to scribble it all down. Most players who have tried the boardgame and posted on the forums like both versions but there are a few exceptions. Normally it is the heresy of switching to realtime they dislike.

IIRC it is unlikely that you will see alternative maps. From postings in the forum the map is about the most hardcoded part of the game. Perhaps there may be some justification if a whole new game pack was released that needed a different map for some reason. I don't mind PTI but it would be nice if the fog was replaced by legends like "darkest Africa" "frozen wastelands" or "dense jungle" once you discovered enough adjacent provinces instead of left as a sepia monotone.

	20-03-2001 01:13									#13
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I know that the reason that the interior of Africa is permanent terra icognita is that prior to the development of Quinine Europeans were running a 90 - 100% mortality rate from Malaria.

The develoment of steam driven engines would also open terra icognita, because it allowed up stream navigation in to the scary jungle lands. Unfortunatley steam boats weren't around during the period of this game.

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