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Marko Polo

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I'm having problems with Swath

Put an end to popups!

When I try port pair trading everything goes fine one round. When the cycle should reoeat Swath just displays the sector of the other port and stalls. The only key that works here is 'escape' which aborts the script. This may be a feature where the script awaits a user response to continue trading. I've tried all the keys but nothing happens. Please someone, help me out!

MarkG

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i used the port pair script once, and it worked....

RyanR

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28-04-2001 03:56

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I use it, it works fine. What version are you running? They update it frequently.

Ya'll have the registered version or what? hmm..

Marko Polo

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I have the evaluation version and just saw in 'readme.txt' that it only runs 100 first lines of the script. So I should register Swath.. is it worth $26?

Urban Ranger

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28-04-2001 15:25

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If it's $15, I'd buy it. $26 is a little bit steep for something I don't use often.

RyanR

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28-04-2001 23:12

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Hmm. I am using the Evaluation version as well (1.3.2) and have had 0 trouble port pair trading. Very useful Make sure you have the latest version as I do.

aeturneus

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Apr 2001
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03-05-2001 05:29

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I use 1.3.2 and have had plenty of trouble port trading. It works occassionally, and is fun when it does work, but it periodically conks out on the sector number - as if it forgot to press the "enter" key.

Urban Ranger

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I have other troubles with it. Mainly the program doesn't build an offline database, requiring one to be connected to a game server all the time when doing zero-turn mapping. Sure, it doesn't take up any turns, but it takes up a lot of time because the algorithm it uses is so slow. Blah!

aeturneus

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Apr 2001
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03-05-2001 08:56

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nevertheless, I haven't found a good, free, assistant that can do what swath does half as well. Any suggestions?

Urban Ranger

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03-05-2001 10:17

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What do you know? It stops mapping altogether now. Crashes every time when I want it to map.

Urban Ranger

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03-05-2001 11:59

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Bad news: The mapping function starts working again after I complained bitterly about it

Worse news: The mapping algorithm is intolerably slow. It looks like an O(N²) function. I haven't got 500 sectors explored yet and it's taking more than 30 minutes.
[This message has been edited by Urban Ranger (edited May 03, 2001).]

aeturneus

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03-05-2001 12:54

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Put an end to popups!

The mapping function IS slow. Try passing 10000 random pairs... sheesh.

Urban Ranger

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03-05-2001 19:13

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Passing 10000 random numbers? What do you mean?

burbel

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Austin, Texas
Apr 2001
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03-05-2001 22:58

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Here is a swath question for everyone -- if I register, does it stop
spamming the daily log with "user so and so is using swath v1.3.2"?

Wittlich

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Dec 2000
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04-05-2001 00:12

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I too have questions. What is the purpose of Swath (I know its used during trading...but to what end)? And what advantages does it have vice just going into the game and playing without it? Oh, one last question - Does it work with Windows 2000?

-Wittlich

Garth Vader

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Saskatoon, SK, CA
Oct 1999
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04-05-2001 00:13

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I tried Swath out and tried the mapping, but where do you see the map? It seems like I just spent 20 minutes for nothing!

Wittlich

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04-05-2001 00:18

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I too downloaded it but could do nothing with it.

- Wittlich

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quote:

Originally posted by Garth Vader on 05-03-2001 03:13 PM
I tried Swath out and tried the mapping, but where do you see the map? It seems like I just spent 20 minutes for nothing!

You don't actually get to see a map.

After the mapping you could use it to retrieve info such as trade port pairs.

If you want to see a real map you have to do it by hand. BTW, after each time you made exploration you have to do the CIM Download and then the mapping to update.
[This message has been edited by Urban Ranger (edited May 04, 2001).]

Garth Vader

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04-05-2001 20:08

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I only could get more port pairs when I had actually explored the sectors. Which makes sense.

I have been making some hand maps, it's a mondo pain in the ass though!

CapTVK

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05-05-2001 09:11

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Actually i quite like drawing maps. It's much easier to visualize than all those abstract sector numbers. You shouldn't try to draw a complete map though. You'll run out of room pretty fast that way, just divide them into particular sectors.

burbel

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Would anyone be interested in a program that would display the map in a "2d" view using OpenGL? If so, I might be able to put something together (and get some use from that CS degree of mine)...

The data structure would be simple, and the HTML code could be simple, but I would need to figure out a way to display fonts so that you could tell sectors. And there are a few other things...

Anyway, if enough folks are interested, I might take a shot at this.

Marko Polo

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I don't think it's worth it, Burbel. It has already been done. E.g. helper program Attac has the feature. It only shows one level in unregistered version though.

Marko Polo

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quote:

Originally posted by aeturneus on 05-02-2001 08:29 PM
I use 1.3.2 and have had plenty of trouble port trading. It works occassionally, and is fun when it does work, but it periodically conks out on the sector number - as if it forgot to press the "enter" key.

Exactly my experience as well. I can't see any apparent reason why this works in some cases and not in another.

burbel

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Thanks for the info, I will download attac and see what it does!

(Anything to save me time and hassle, I suppose!) =)

Urban Ranger

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OTOH, I suggest you to start writing the mapper. Maybe we could eventually put together an open-source helper program. Wouldn't that be something?

RyanR

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08-05-2001 09:14

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Spekter

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09-05-2001 23:29

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Okay Polo, I'm done sulking.

From the SWATH help files:

quote:

The following is needed to be able to use and develop User Defined Scripts:
SWATH v1.3 or later.
Sun's Java 2 Software Development Kit (SDK) v1.2 or later.
Download FREE from here: http://java.sun.com/j2se/

If you have it installed, is the path to it defined properly in "c:\windows\swath.ini"?
On my system it was set up as C:\jdk1.3\ when the actual path was C:\jdk1.3.2_02\ or something like that.

Whenever I started SWATH, I was getting an error about it not being able to find some Java files. After fixing the path problem, I didn't get the JAVA error anymore and the pair trading script ran flawlessly (quickly too).

[This message has been edited by Spekter (edited May 09, 2001).]

RyanR

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I did *not* post this! Someone else did it.. hacked into apolyton maybe..

[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited May 10, 2001).]

MarkG

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no such links here dear Ryan...

Marko Polo

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quote:

Originally posted by Spekter on 05-09-2001 02:29 PM
Okay Polo, I'm done sulking.

From the SWATH help files:

If you have it installed, is the path to it defined properly in "c:\windows\swath.ini"?
On my system it was set up as C:\jdk1.3\ when the actual path was C:\jdk1.3.2_02\ or something like that.

Whenever I started SWATH, I was getting an error about it not being able to find some Java files. After fixing the path problem, I didn't get the JAVA error anymore and the pair trading script ran flawlessly (quickly too).

Spekter, thanks for the info. I just want to be sure, do you really mean that I should download this 30Mb software:

"Download Java 2 SDK, v 1.3.0_02 Software for Windows 95 / 98 / 2000 / NT / ME 4.0 (Intel Platform)

One large bundle (~30MB)"

Btw, I'm glad that you aren't anrgy with me anymore.

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