12-05-2001 08:25									#1
	Apolyton Under new leadership.... Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I have stepped down as leader of Apolyton under terms set by myself, also Ribannah has stepped down to pursue a position at SElitez.... the new leader of the clan is Colon, I hope he can create a strong bond between Apolyton and Earth and hold it to more than just a single reset.... to him I wish good luck, to all the members of Apolyton, I regret stepping down but it was the right thing to do at the time...

	12-05-2001 09:18									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I would also like to state that I left of my own accord, but wasn't getting the trust that a member requires from his council... that is all I have to post about this change...

	12-05-2001 14:52									#3
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Allow me to fill any readers in on what has happened...

Ribinnah posted this on our Clan's Gamerstown forum:

quote: This message is to inform you that I have accepted SElitez' invitation to join them. I had several other offers, too. The reason for leaving now is that multies are being played by a member/members of this clan. To be accepted by SElitez I had to break all my alliances with members of Apolyton.

This made me think, because its kind of funny how the second-in-command of our team is so easily wooed to be a grunt in a much bigger clan. Apparently she think that if someone in our clan has been running multiple accounts (which is frowned upon), that it becomes necessary to leave that clan rather than attempt to remedy the problem in some way. It's funnier because bigger clans are often rife with all forms of cheating, merely on a grander scale.

Then this was posted by OmniGod in that forum 17 minutes later:

quote: This message, like Ribannah's is to inform you that I am leaving Apolyton because of the lack of trust... I was assumed to be running multies. I have removed the players assumed to be multies from the clan, it will be the responsiblity of the new head, Colon... hopefully he has more reliablity with the members of the clan. Good luck Colon and no hard feelings here... maybe I'll come back in a reset or two if Apolyton is still here, and I hope it is.

Our President is leaving because of lack of trust. Then he removed the players assumed to be running multiple accounts. Am I wrong in thinking that it is one of the fundamental characteristics required in a leader to be able to tolerate some amount of accusations, and to solve problems rather than running away with them?

Later, another large member of our clan, Wittlich, left because he just felt so sorry for what poor OmniGod had to go through being accused of having something to do with multies (Exactly what these charges were had been brought to my attention). Wittlich was appalled by the lack of "democracy" in us "crucifying our leader." So he left because of the lack of "democracy". And here I thought a core principle of democracy was about letting people voice opinions. I wonder if Wittlich agreed with OmniGod's booting of assumed, apparently not confirmed multiple account runners. I assume he approves of OmniGod never telling a sole about just who those who were booted are.
-Apparently Waterloo, another member with over a million NW, was one that was booted off. He is still on the clan list in the game and also at the Gamerstown site -but then agains Ribinnah, OmniGod, and Wittlich all are as well.

I thought this was all very silly, and then I noticed the following news:

quote: May/11/01 23:14 PS AmeriCanadians (#1866) () Castle Gobs (#2681) (SElitez) 561 A May/12/01 00:17 SS Castle Gobs (#2681) (SElitez) AmeriCanadians (#1866) () 69 A May/12/01 00:17 SS Castle Gobs (#2681) (SElitez) AmeriCanadians (#1866) () 193 A May/12/01 00:17 SS Castle Gobs (#2681) (SElitez) AmeriCanadians (#1866) () 201 A May/12/01 00:17 PS Castle Gobs (#2681) (SElitez) AmeriCanadians (#1866) () 388 A May/12/01 00:17 PS Castle Gobs (#2681) (SElitez) AmeriCanadians (#1866) () 420 A May/12/01 00:17 PS Castle Gobs (#2681) (SElitez) AmeriCanadians (#1866) () 454 A May/12/01 00:17 NM AmeriCanadians (#1866) () PCO (#1880) (Apolyton) 247 A May/12/01 00:17 NM AmeriCanadians (#1866) () PCO (#1880) (Apolyton) 266 A May/12/01 00:17 NM AmeriCanadians (#1866) () PCO (#1880) (Apolyton) 286 A May/12/01 00:17 NM AmeriCanadians (#1866) () PCO (#1880) (Apolyton) 307 A

So, OmniGod attacked attacked Ribinnah just before midnight Central Time. Ribinnah (sporting her new Clan tag) responded with 6 attacks on OmniGod. OmniGod then responded by sending 4 nuclear missiles at PCO, a member of our clan whom I don't know well, though I now know why, and I consider myself something a fool for not thinking of it earlier.

It looks odd, doesn't it? I must admit I'm not 100% sure what to make of it. Now note the similarity in the numbers of AmeriCanadians (#1866) and PCO (#1880). Also note that these two countries share similar tastes in buildings and technologies, and casual disregards for Construction Sites. These are telltale signs of MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. Why OmniGod would nuke his own country is odd indeed.

So OmniGod was running multiple accounts. Now the question is why OmniGod attacked Ribinnah. Well that's not quite as clear at all, but I must say it's odd that it seems Ribinnah logged on not too long after OmniGod, conveniently in time to over-retalliate against a single attack. And then OmniGod logs in again, and for some reason nukes his multi.

One thing that is strange about OmniGod's country, AmeriCanadians, is that he has recently destroyed all his buildings and sold all his military. His only military unit now is (600,000) jets. This makes it impossible for any attack to lose, or for any attacker to lose any units.

If you haven't drawn the conclusion yet I won't bore you anymore: It is apparent that Ribinnah or OmniGod owns ALL THREE accounts presented in the news. What we see here is merely a show. Ribinnah/OmniGod/PCO first attacked the SElites country because it is the one with the most promise (because it was invited to join SElites). But since SElites has a policy against multiple accounts (ironic though it seems), R/OG/PCO's other countries that to be destroyed. But to actually delete these accounts would make the multiple accounts obvious, and he apparently quite likes a show, which is why he has two personalities, and this is why he had one country that he didn't want anymore sell all its defenses so he could take the land and money and technology from it. Then PCO, the other multi, had to be dealt with in some fashion, if for no other reason than to show that it is NOT his multie, despite all evidence to the contrary.

So there you go. I'd like to go a little more in-depth on this, because I'm frankly not sure on Wittlich's involvement, and all of what happened with the multi "Accusations" this is all I can generate.

And if any of this is wrong, sorry, This is what you get when you don't inform your own team-members what the heck is going on.

BTW, Even if AmeriCanadians is a multi of PCO, I still retalliated against him as I saw fit, because AmeriCanadians is not in Apolyton and PCO is, and besides, there were no defenses to stop me.

	12-05-2001 16:25									#4
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

All clan members, I've made an announcement in the forums at our GT site, let's please discuss all this further up there.

Wittlich, I'm asking you to at least view and consider my run-down, which I believe to be neutral and confirmed by the people involved if you ask them.

	12-05-2001 16:40									#5
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

PS: for clarification, Selitz alleged PCO, ApolytonAlpha and Waterloo of being multies of Omnigod, next to his normal country, AmeriCanadians.

	13-05-2001 09:57									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Yes Colon, I read your post in GT.

Ok, this is all quite a surprise. Last night I left the clan because I felt Omni wasn't getting the option of proper representation by the Clan as a whole.

Now that I see the entire storyline (or at least what we know of it), I have returned back to the Apolyton Clan.

Sorry for my "tantrum" and storming out...I think I was in shock and feeling a little betrayed over the whole ordeal.

- Wittlich


------------------
After all is said and done, usually more is said than done.

	12-05-2001 23:41									#7
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

While I could explain the similarities between PCO and AmeriCanadians, and I already have to Colon they were not accepted. The final nuking of PCO by AmeriCanadians was just in fun to my friend... while this in no-way means that we are multies, it's the last hurrah of a dying nation... so if you'd like some land AmeriCanadians is free to be had... as for PCO that's not my spot but I got a nice beating this morning for it.. Either way, I'm done with E2025 and I hope everyone can pick up the pieces and make Apolyton a great democratic clan, which apparently I could not.

	15-05-2001 23:09									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Don't worry Riba, I've informed them as unbiased as I could about the events.

	16-05-2001 15:25									#10
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

How quaint. Have you thought of joining one of the larger alliances in the game I am a member of Arrow (The Arrow Project) one of the strongest alliance's in 1a. My friend is the CEO of Arrow if any are interested in playing Earth in a big alliance, there are rules but the protection is great for netgaining as well as war.

Apply for membership at,
http://www.arrowproject.org

No multi running. The Arrow project is ann honourable alliance we do not accept cheating.
-----------

In addition to the protection of a large alliance and the advantages that entails, for example no longer being bottom fed on by other big alliances. They will also teach you how to build a proper country and use gamerstown effectively. The entire Apolyton clan can join Arrow as a Brigade if you wish. You will be building twenty million networth countries in no time flat, it just takes a little time and some skill, of course being protected from bottom feeding also helps.

	16-05-2001 17:08									#11
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Seems it's a good thing we have our own site now.

Bolo, why don't you join Apolyton instead, as a real Apolytoner would?

	16-05-2001 23:48									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Two arrow countries recently landgrabbed one of our countries. I don't thin kthat shows the level of discipline I'd expect from a bigger clan.

	17-05-2001 03:02									#13
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

How big is the Apolyton Clan? twenty members?
I have no doubt you will be grabbed and grabbed a lot from bigger clans and alliances, Arrow included. People need to bottom feed in order to grow larger and as a small clan you guys are the targets, its crappy I know but its true.

Colon, I am happy with Arrow... though I would be happy to help train some of your people in how to get bigger despite being in a smaller clan.

	17-05-2001 07:48									#14
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Actually as far as I know we only have about 17 or 18 members. Frankly I'm not sure if I'll stick with the clan next reset, the whole OmniGod multi affair was pretty demoralizing. And we lost a bunch of members (most of them were OmniGod multies though).

If I do want to be part of a major alliance, I'd probably apply to a better clan than Arrow.

	17-05-2001 14:59									#15
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Hmm... well I admit there are alliance with more members than us, and certainly their are alliances that can netgain better than we can, but when it comes to war we are among the best alliances in 1A, argue if you will but did you see last reset how we took apart both Genesis and Cult in just a few days. Admittedly they were smaller than us but they just surrendered, no fight at all. And the way we handed TSW and the RD multies this reset has also been very commendable.

	18-05-2001 00:12									#16
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I concur Bolo



------------------
After all is said and done, usually more is said than done.

	19-05-2001 22:44									#17
	Got spare money?

Bolo:
What's your name in Earth?

I've already laid the same condescending smackdown upon these folks that you so proudly proclaimed, execept I did it far more competently :P

I'm an FA, recruiter, Minister o' Pants and other things for Omega in 1A.

I don't know naz very well, I talked to Judah for a while last night, he's a cool cat.

NOTE: Since you're in Calgary I assume you know Naz/Tirol/The rest of those panks IRL... whee!

	20-05-2001 07:10									#18
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Yes- please join ARROW, you would be a subunit of arrow- your own squad- you would do better under a large alliance than a small one!

	24-05-2001 14:40									#19
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Beefhawk,

What a small world.
Yes I know many of the people you mentioned. Judah is a friend of mine IRL and we live only a few blocks apart, I FAed him a bunch when he volunteered his country during your war last reset. Naz and Tirol both live in Winnipeg but Naz was in Calgary over the weekend for a brief period visiting Ogreman and the rest of the Untouchables brigade. Speaking of Ogreman he is a friend of mine, I am closer friend's with his younger brother Hellrazer who runs FA.
Regretably, this reset I do not have a country I was bored with the game after doing so well last reset and I let my country expire after two weeks of inactivity I am looking forward to upcoming reset.
I am a veteran in Arrow, we have a number of ranks, Veteran is reserved for those who have been with Arrow a long time but lack the time or effort (in my case) to do the work necessary for a higher position though I do have the ear of influential people in Arrow.

Drop me a line over ICQ.
3104684.

	25-05-2001 04:06									#20
	ARROW Get a bigger avatar today!

Hi- Bolo- I thought that "Bolo" in ARROW might be you.

Well- I'm doing fine in the game right now, but was missiled 20 times by 2 countries and am complaining on the message board right now about foreign aid