10-05-2001 02:30									#1
	The woes of communism... help! Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Heres the deal...

Im, losing about 200,000 a turn and despite selling military I cannot seem to make a profit! This is my second reset(first full one) and Id appreciate any advice possible.

Thanks!

JCP Assassin

	10-05-2001 04:46									#2
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I know, it's amazing how -$70,000 a turn can wear away at even nine million dollars.

If you sell like 1/4 - 1/6 of your military twice a day like I do you shouldn't have a problem. If you can't log on twice a day market-dependent strats may not be approriate. If you log on once a day and sell all of your 1/4 military you should get enough money to at least play your turns.

If you aren't already, Cash with whatever have when you have nothing else to do.

	10-05-2001 05:06									#3
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Well I myself am a Communist government. However, I don't sell my military. I sell both food and oil on the market. What profit I make, goes right back into buying my military equipment.

Tustin, if you need some cash, I can throw some your way.

	10-05-2001 20:18									#4
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thanks, i really think some extra cash would help alot. right now i dont need any so dont send any unless i ask... dont want you giving me money that i dont need and you could use yourself!

JCP Assassin

	11-05-2001 03:37									#5
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Odd... as a communist I have a positive cash balance each turn (disappearing soon), and food and oil to sell My advice is sell some oil and food.

	11-05-2001 12:16									#6
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Well you're obviously not a straight indy. I have a few farms and a few rigs but not enough to sell food and oil. All the rest is ICs. You can make more money that way, even if you don't get a tax surplus.

	11-05-2001 13:12									#7
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Tusin, I threw $1.2M your way. Don't worry, I didn't need it.

-Wittlich


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	12-05-2001 09:03									#8
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Thanks!!! Im really hurting right now! Should i start building Res and Enterprize zones to cut down my losses... or should i sell some of my technology fer money?

JCP Assassin

	12-05-2001 00:38									#9
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Actually I build Enterprise zones and enough residential zones to keep the population from stagnating. In the research department, research Businesses! This should put you back into the "green."

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[This message has been edited by Wittlich (edited May 11, 2001).]

	12-05-2001 04:27									#10
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It's nice to be self-sufficient, but it is much more profitable to specialize. Destroy research labs and build EZs and Reses if you are a netgainer -build all ICs (though I do have some farms around I admit, but not many) to sell military, and BUY your tech, it's only going to get cheaper.

It's a fundamental aspect of a successful country, and it's much more efficient.

	12-05-2001 05:42									#11
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I don't buy the complete specialization. 75% ICs is enough. Complete specialisation might compound the strengths of a strategy, but it also compounds the weaknesses. Self-sufficiency isn't necessary as long as your not bleeding out cash every turn.

(BTW, some ****s undersold me on the market, so my cashflow is not very good right now... hopefully, my second batch of oil will have sold by morning. Otherwise, I get to build more construction sites while the food piles up to be sold.)

	12-05-2001 06:27									#12
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All IC's and CS if you're an indy.

You should get along fine, just selling 1/4 a day, once a day.

Buy tech, bushels, and oil... it's all good.

Yay!

	12-05-2001 07:45									#14
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Buy business tech on the market,

	13-05-2001 09:59									#15
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	14-05-2001 22:47									#16
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Buy business and residential tech in equal amounts for the best result. Even without residences and enterprise zones, that should nicely boost your net income per turn.
Specialization is mainly relevant for cashers and researchers. For everyone else, any mix of farms, oil rigs and industry will do, there is no bonus for having a high percentage of any of them. That is, once you have (close to) max tech for farms and industry of course. Then it all depends on the market.

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	15-05-2001 17:13									#18
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Huh?


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	15-05-2001 19:18									#19
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I believe both Eternal and Ribannah are basically saying the same thing


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	16-05-2001 06:00									#20
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Nonsense... if there is no bonus there is no advantage to any one type of building over another assuming they each have the same output, but they probably don't, so it's better to build certain types for certain types of govts. Nonetheless, self-sufficiency is very important. What sort of communist would put himself at the mercy of the market?

	16-05-2001 08:50									#21
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You sods!

MIXED STRATS DON'T WIN ANY EARTH SERVER!

RUN A REAL STRAT, YOU KNOBS!



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	16-05-2001 08:58									#22
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That is true Beefhawk, and something OmniGod and his multies never figured out either

Striving for self-suffiency has doomed as many nations as it has helped.

I'm sorry I don't have the numbers to break it down for all of you, but many of the Earth veterans already have. Check the strategy links we have in the useful URLS page. Or post on the E2025 Strategy boards.

[This message has been edited by Eternal (edited May 15, 2001).]

	16-05-2001 15:50									#23
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If you are a commie it is best to be Commie industrialist the best way to keep money is too sell your military each day on the public market. Unfortunatly the loss of money is unsustainable and eventually you will lose more money than you make money from the units you sell. The best Earth players switch to casher after they start to lose more money than they get as a commie indy. Since you are probably small, I am guess no more than 1.2 million I suggest following the above advise and sell your military at the end of your turns each day.

Too switch the subject slightly I have found that the best strategy, for me anyway was a straight out of the reset dictator farmer strategy. Last reset I used it to great success building a thirty two million networth country with forty thousand acres, I finished the reset ranked in the top 250. The best way to accomplish is to get land fat, really land fat, aggressively land grab, take as much land as you can and keep doing this. You'll need a fair amount of construction sites and if you start slowly its ok cause you can make up ground. Of course its hard to get a really high ranked country when you are apart of a smaller clan which I am assuming most of you are. The only way to build a top 500 country once, to say nothing of consistently is to be apart of large alliance or have strong connections within the Earth community so that you get Do not Hit agreements and NAPs with other alliances.

When you landgrab the best people to hit are the people that can't hit you back, so you must be a bottom feeder, you need to prey on the weak so that you can be strong. Occasionally one of them will send a missile your way as revenge so make sure you have adequate SDI to stop any little guys from chewing at your ankles. If you stop the missile fine, maybe consider ignoring the guy, but if the missile gets through hit him back once or twice, past that the law of diminishing returns will make any land you get not worth the military you expended to get it. Also if you have rules regarding retals you should follow them, but if not well then decide what is best. Anyway land grab a lot, I typically tend to hit people between one tenth and one fifth my networth, right at the humanitarian line, that way you send only a portion of your forces and your readiness doesn't go down to much and you can hit more people.

If you are aiming for a big country, for here I'll assume 10,000 plus acres and eight million plus networth you are going to want to be able to build at least 100 hundred buildings per turn. Also if you are a farmer you will want to keep money on hand to make sure you don't run out. The more land you have the more expensive it will cost to build on it so make sure as you get higher in networth you keep enough cash on hand to build. Though if you are a farmer you can always sell your food on the private market if you are lacking in money to build. Now when you build buildings as a farmer you will want as I said at least 560 construction sites, as a dictator thats about 100 buildings per turn. The rest should be farms, you should have no residential, enterprise, research labs, military bases, or oil rigs. You should have about five hundred acres worth of industry sites, and they should be making spies. You buy your tech, and your military, as well as your oil.

With this strategy as I mentioned above I managed to get thirty two million networth, I had just over forty thousand acres and I was one of the largest in Arrow. I would have been at least ten million higher but I forgot what day the reset ended and so the money and food I had stockpiled, $2 billion, and 110 million bushels all went to waste, I could have finished top 100. It was a still a good reset and it was my best ever finish, this reset I began a country but I became bored with it and it expired after two weeks of inactivity. Next reset I am going to try the theo techer reseller strategy which I am told and I have seen that it is very effective.

	16-05-2001 20:02									#24
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I don't see any value in selling military, that just makes you weaker and more vulnerable, besides there's other ways to make cash. You don't really need that much. Cash. If I hvae only 75% ICs I can still have a very small per turn cash balance (+- four digits), and sell oil for all the building money I could need even at 50 buildings per turn... let's face it, I can build more in four turns than I can grab in two, so if I continue expanding at max rate, I'm losing military while net gaining.

In any case, I'm quitting 1A after the reset, it's not as fun with clans, too many people you can't hit, too many rules.

I've finished second with a mixed strategy in a tournament game some time ago. I think the reason none of the top people are using them now, is because they're the best, and they could win whatever strategy they get good at. If they all switched strategies they could easily get there again. My problem is that I always quit games like these after one or two resets. I've quit Earth no less than four times until now. Heck, I still remember when the tournament was first started! Ah well...

	19-05-2001 22:50									#25
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You are, of course, incorrect.

Mixed strats lose efficiency.

Selling military is fine and tasty!

Bolo's got a fine strat... it won't work until you guys retal and get a rep and some pacts, but it's a fine rudimentary strategy....

	20-05-2001 07:17									#26
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Unmixed strats maximize weaknesses as well as strengths. You just have to decide if you want to pay that price.