22-05-2001 22:22									#1
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I favor the following 32 myself:

Ancient:

1) Egyptians
2) Babylonians
3) Persians
4) Carthagenians
5) Romans

Ancient/Medieval/Modern:

6) Israelis*
7) Greeks*
8) Celts*
9) Germans*
10) Chinese*
11) Indians*

Medieval:

12) Aztecs
13) Incans
14) Vikings
15) Mongols

Medieval/Modern:

16) Arabs*
17) Turks
18) Spanish*
19) Portuguese
20) English*
21) French*
22) Dutch
23) Danish
24) Russians*
25) Japanese*
26) Polynesian
27) Zulus*
28) Austro-Hungarians
29) Italians

Modern:

30) Iroquois*
31) Americans (with a "Yankee Only" toggle)*
32) Confederates*

*My personal TOP 16

Last edited by Arator on 22-05-2001 at 22:37

	22-05-2001 22:54									#2
	How about an "I don't care" option... Tired of ads?

I don't really care either way how many Civs there are to choose from. As long as I can make my own custom, and I can customise the Civ and Leader names of other Civs, I can make the world be whatever I want.

Speaking of which, I would really like to have a feature in Civ3 that would not only let you choose your opponents like in Civ2, but would also let you choose their Leader name, sex, pic, and let oyu change their titles, etc. A great way to customize each single player game without heavily impacting the gameplay!

	22-05-2001 23:01									#3
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quote: Originally posted by cyclotron7 I don't really care either way how many Civs there are to choose from. As long as I can make my own custom, and I can customise the Civ and Leader names of other Civs, I can make the world be whatever I want. Speaking of which, I would really like to have a feature in Civ3 that would not only let you choose your opponents like in Civ2, but would also let you choose their Leader name, sex, pic, and let oyu change their titles, etc. A great way to customize each single player game without heavily impacting the gameplay!

I agree with you. Customization is a MUST! But, I would like to add, Customized Civs should be addable to the built in civs. You should not have to replace a built in civ to add one of your own.

I like your ideas about game set up as well. Also, we should be able to choose any combination of civs to play with, and assign colors after, not have them rigidly grouped by color and uncombinable as in Civ II.

	23-05-2001 00:23									#4
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I chose 16 because if the game has unique civs as expected it will be way hard to balance more than that number of civs. Of course that want to try can go ahead and do so.

	23-05-2001 04:35									#5
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"My most wanted Civ III civ which was missing from Civ II: the ARABS!"

Ahh you shouldnt be so disapointed..
When I was searching through files i saw in C:\MPS\CIV2/city.txt
i found this in it

@ARABS
Baghdad
Mecca
Samarra
Damascus
Tiflis
Tangier
Raqqa
Beirut
Basra
Medina
Riyadh
Mosul
Beirut
Algiers
Tunis
Fez
Cordoba
Palmyra
Shiraz
Aden
Qum
Qazvin
Barqa
Tripoli
Mahdia
Rabat
@STOP

now doesnt this seem to you like they atleast had planed puting arabs in civ2? im not sure what to think but arabs are at least in the game even if its unplayable as is..

	23-05-2001 04:41									#6
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also found this in rules
Saladin, ..., 0, 5, Arabs, Arab, 1, 0, 1, 4, Ayatollah, Ayatollah, 2, Sultan, Sultana

	23-05-2001 05:19									#7
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its simple and can be done for both arabs and incans

Find and delete

@LEADERS
Caesar, Livia, 0, 1, 1, Romans, Roman, 0, 1, 1, 1, Dictator, Dictator, 2, Imperator, Imperatrix
Hammurabi, Ishtari, 0, 2, 0, Babylonians, Babylonian, -1, -1, 1,
Frederick, Maria Theresa, 0, 3, 3, Germans, German, 1, -1, 1, 4, Archbishop, Archbishop, 6, Chancellor, Chancellor
Ramesses, Cleopatra, 1, 4, 0, Egyptians, Egyptian, 0, 0, 1, 1, Pharaoh, Pharaoh, 2, Great Pharaoh, Great Pharaoh
Abe Lincoln, E. Roosevelt, 0, 5, 1, Americans, American, -1, 0, 1, 4, Reverend, Reverend, 5, Speaker, Speaker
Alexander, Hippolyta, 1, 6, 1, Greeks, Greek, 0, 1, -1, 6, Prime Minister, Prime Minister
Mohandas Gandhi,Indira Gandhi, 0, 7, 2, Indians, Indian, -1, -1, 0, 2, Maharaja, Maharaja,
Lenin, Catherine the Great, 1, 1, 3, Russians, Russian, 1, 0, -1, 2, Czar, Czarina, 4, Patriarch, Matriarch
Shaka, Shakala, 0, 2, 0, Zulus, Zulu, 1, 0, 0,
Louis XIV, Joan of Arc, 0, 3, 3, French, French, 1, 1, 1, 4, Archbishop, Archbishop, 6, Premier, Premier
Montezuma, Nazca, 0, 4, 0, Aztecs, Aztec, 0, -1, 1,
Mao Tse Tung, Wu Zhao, 0, 5, 2, Chinese, Chinese, 0, 0, 1, 3, Chairman, Chairperson
Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, 1, 6, 3, English, English, 0, 1, 0, 4, Lord Protector, Lady Protector, 6, Prime Minister, Prime Minister
Genghis Khan, Bortei, 0, 7, 0, Mongols, Mongol, 1, 1, -1,
Cunobelin, Boadicea, 1, 1, 0, Celts, Celtic, -1, 1, 0, 4, Druid, Druid
Tokugawa, Amaterasu, 0, 2, 2, Japanese, Japanese, 1, -1, -1, 2, Shogun, Shogun, 6, Prime Minister, Prime Minister
Canute, Gunnhild, 1, 3, 3, Vikings, Viking, 1, 1, 0, 1, Warlord, Warlord
Philip II, Isabella, 1, 4, 3, Spanish, Spanish, -1, 1, -1, 4, Archbishop, Archbishop
Xerxes, Scheherezade, 0, 5, 0, Persians, Persian, 0, -1, 0, 2, Shah, Shah, 4, Ayatollah, Ayatollah
Hannibal, Dido, 0, 6, 1, Carthaginians, Carthaginian, 0, 0, -1,
Sitting Bull, Sacajawea, 0, 7, 0, Sioux, Sioux, 0, 0, 0, 1, Chief, Chief, 2, Great Chief, Great Chief
Saladin, ..., 0, 5, Arabs, Arab, 1, 0, 1, 4, Ayatollah, Ayatollah, 2, Sultan, Sultana
Atawallpa, ..., 0, 1, Incas, Inca, -1, 1, 1,

To play a game with arabs Replace with this

@LEADERS
Caesar, Livia, 0, 1, 1, Romans, Roman, 0, 1, 1, 1, Dictator, Dictator, 2, Imperator, Imperatrix
Saladin, ..., 0, 5, 1, Arabs, Arab, 1, 0, 1, 4,
Frederick, Maria Theresa, 0, 3, 3, Germans, German, 1, -1, 1, 4, Archbishop, Archbishop, 6, Chancellor, Chancellor
Ramesses, Cleopatra, 1, 4, 0, Egyptians, Egyptian, 0, 0, 1, 1, Pharaoh, Pharaoh, 2, Great Pharaoh, Great Pharaoh
Abe Lincoln, E. Roosevelt, 0, 5, 1, Americans, American, -1, 0, 1, 4, Reverend, Reverend, 5, Speaker, Speaker
Alexander, Hippolyta, 1, 6, 1, Greeks, Greek, 0, 1, -1, 6, Prime Minister, Prime Minister
Mohandas Gandhi,Indira Gandhi, 0, 7, 2, Indians, Indian, -1, -1, 0, 2, Maharaja, Maharaja,
Lenin, Catherine the Great, 1, 1, 3, Russians, Russian, 1, 0, -1, 2, Czar, Czarina, 4, Patriarch, Matriarch
Shaka, Shakala, 0, 2, 0, Zulus, Zulu, 1, 0, 0,
Louis XIV, Joan of Arc, 0, 3, 3, French, French, 1, 1, 1, 4, Archbishop, Archbishop, 6, Premier, Premier
Montezuma, Nazca, 0, 4, 0, Aztecs, Aztec, 0, -1, 1,
Mao Tse Tung, Wu Zhao, 0, 5, 2, Chinese, Chinese, 0, 0, 1, 3, Chairman, Chairperson
Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, 1, 6, 3, English, English, 0, 1, 0, 4, Lord Protector, Lady Protector, 6, Prime Minister, Prime Minister
Genghis Khan, Bortei, 0, 7, 0, Mongols, Mongol, 1, 1, -1,
Cunobelin, Boadicea, 1, 1, 0, Celts, Celtic, -1, 1, 0, 4, Druid, Druid
Tokugawa, Amaterasu, 0, 2, 2, Japanese, Japanese, 1, -1, -1, 2, Shogun, Shogun, 6, Prime Minister, Prime Minister
Canute, Gunnhild, 1, 3, 3, Vikings, Viking, 1, 1, 0, 1, Warlord, Warlord
Philip II, Isabella, 1, 4, 3, Spanish, Spanish, -1, 1, -1, 4, Archbishop, Archbishop
Xerxes, Scheherezade, 0, 5, 0, Persians, Persian, 0, -1, 0, 2, Shah, Shah, 4, Ayatollah, Ayatollah
Hannibal, Dido, 0, 6, 1, Carthaginians, Carthaginian, 0, 0, -1,
Sitting Bull, Sacajawea, 0, 7, 0, Sioux, Sioux, 0, 0, 0, 1, Chief, Chief, 2, Great Chief, Great Chief
Atawallpa, ..., 0, 1, Incas, Inca, -1, 1, 1,


good enough well try it

Last edited by ancient on 23-05-2001 at 05:43

	23-05-2001 09:54									#8
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Ancient, you still don't have a leader pic after changing the textfiles and by the way we we are talking about civ3, not civ2.

	23-05-2001 21:33									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Maxxes Ancient, you still don't have a leader pic after changing the textfiles and by the way we we are talking about civ3, not civ2.

Yes, you have one, but the wrong one. But just replace the Aztecs for the Incas (I hate to give that advice) and the Arabs for the Turks. That's not to disturbing our aesthetic sense.

	24-05-2001 01:03									#10
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what turks?

	24-05-2001 01:05									#11
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this is Arabs instead of babylonians and i picked them because of mutual starting places
And incans for mayans is right and that how its done.. buwt the last edit i made on it didnt show up because when i was righting this i was still experamenting with it.. but now i figured it out and it works fine..

	24-05-2001 01:09									#12
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Tons of Civs please. At least 40

	24-05-2001 02:29									#13
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How can they do this to us- more choices equals more fun.
They most likely plan expanding it to 32 in the Add-On Pack
So they can cheat us.

	24-05-2001 02:41									#14
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They may as well include a good number to make the games a bit more varied. Besides the more civs that can play in any one game (for example, if 16 sides were allowed to play at once) then the total number of civs required would be much greater...

	26-05-2001 00:05									#15
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	26-05-2001 00:56									#16
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quote: Originally posted by ancient what turks?

Oh, are the turks another Custom Civ of me. I lost track. I've more than 60

	26-05-2001 01:31									#17
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Confederates? what a big bullsh!t!!!

can't you southerners get real!!

	26-05-2001 01:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Confederates? what a big bullsh!t!!! can't you southerners get real!!

Agreed, the Confederates are not a civ. You actually have to have been an independent nation/empire/people to be a civ, not a 4 year war.