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Lazarus and the Gimp is offline Lazarus and the Gimp
King
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Aug 2000
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Originally posted by AnnC
MtG, 1.5 to 3 percent is an appallingly high rate.

In the entire history of ACOL, only 6 threads have been deleted. Five were vandalized by a smilie-bomber and I couldn't repair them, and the sixth was a porn thread that the originator refused to edit.

I am embarassed that you were ever a Cleaner (moderator) at ACOL.


Sorry AnnC, but I've got to raise a point here. I've only posted about 5 or 6 threads at ACOL. One was a risque slice of "gentleman's humour" containing a few earthy references. After I posted it someone responded that you might delete it, and when I returned a day later it had vanished from the board. Of course, this could be a mere coincidence, but at the time I just assumed it had been deleted.

So I just naturally assumed that the deletion rate of my threads was about 20%. This isn't misinformation or propaganda as I have no interest in your clash with MtG. However I get the impression that a spot of revisionism is taking place with ACOL's reputation.

MikeH is offline MikeH
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Ming on rakastajani
May 1999
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Originally posted by cpoulos
Seems to me that Kitty, MikeH and the ACOL bunch got what they wanted, which was to get people talking about their site at Apolyton. From the looks of things, this whole stunt was based around just that. It leads me to believe that in the 'get a life' department, many are sorely lacking...


I know, I can't believe I got distracted by the real world for a whole 3 days and couldn't respond!

Chris 62 is offline Chris 62
Emperor
But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeH


I know, I can't believe I got distracted by the real world for a whole 3 days and couldn't respond!
Yes, the real world can be quite distracting...

East Street Trader is offline East Street Trader
Prince
London, United Kingdom
Jun 2000
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  Old Post 31-05-2001 21:49
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We should give MtG time to settle.

ACOL is a fine site and, if it recovered a bit more of its gaming soul I reckon I'd register there.

Besides which, Ming deserves somewhere to chill.

Contributions here from ACOLKitty, MikeH and, latterly, AnneC are welcome.

The owners and mods do well to cut more slack for OT than for for the on topic forums.

41 days is OTT but, look, the guy is learning his trade. And for the hours he puts in if he does get some petty pleasure back he's earned it.

A part of what ACOLKitty brings is contradiction. She professes libertarian views - lauding ACOL's lack of moderation - but then makes a complaint to Poly admins/mods when War4 elects a username she disapproves of. She professes lesbian orientation but spends lengthy periods here and at ACOL flirting with a substantially male population. She professes liberal views on equality type matters but throws around comments about "damned jews".

Good stuff all. A poster I'd be glad to have wander in to my local. But I'd not expect a quiet time, I think.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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Oct 1999
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EST - Steve 5304/Saddam/ et al got himself up to 38 days, with various things. After a private conversation, where we came ot and understanding about the rules, he got unbanned in 11 or 12 days. Attitude counts for a lot, both in increasing, or decreasing, ban length. Giancarlo and Horse both got two weeks, but were out in 5 days.

Just because a ban is listed as X days, doesn't mean it will actually be that length. Very few actually are, but if someone really gets an attitude about being held to the rules, they can talk themselves into that position. Or, if they chill, they can talk themselves back out of that position.

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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Oct 2000
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LOL at all of you. Do you not realize that you are experimental subjects to be manipulated and studied by KITTY. I recognize her modus operandi. She is studying a psychological profile of the gamers/posters here, including most particularly authority structure and reaction thereto. Squeakity-squeak little white rats, and discover another meaning of her handle, KITTY. Yet she is really fond of some of her test subjects, and I am well amused by and somewhat fond of her, but not fooled by her.

Iskandar Reza is offline Iskandar Reza
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Mar 2001
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is she a psyche student or something?

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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is she a psyche student or something?


A psychology professional.

SuperSneak is offline SuperSneak
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They say the most disturbed people are the ones who go into that field.
I should know...I have a degree in psychology as well.

I'm guessing she's a TA at best with an emphasis in something touchy feely like "methods of small group communication" or "developmental psychology for the bisexual child".

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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She practices some sort of clinical counseling, I believe. I have no idea of what setting she is in, or what category of counseling she deals with.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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She's doing some kind of lab testing for her post-doc. I don't remember the details. Kitty likes to play games, likes to get attention, but is, when you get down to it, a totally OK human being.

If it gets to something serious related to her profession - someone talking about suicide, or whatever, she drops the normal Kitty act and is serious and totally professional about it.

AnnC is offline AnnC
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Sep 1999
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny

Sorry AnnC, but I've got to raise a point here. I've only posted about 5 or 6 threads at ACOL. One was a risque slice of "gentleman's humour" containing a few earthy references. After I posted it someone responded that you might delete it, and when I returned a day later it had vanished from the board. Of course, this could be a mere coincidence, but at the time I just assumed it had been deleted.

So I just naturally assumed that the deletion rate of my threads was about 20%. This isn't misinformation or propaganda as I have no interest in your clash with MtG. However I get the impression that a spot of revisionism is taking place with ACOL's reputation.


Bugs, what is your ACOL userid? and do you remember (approximately) the subject line of the thread?

The deleted porn thread was posted by "annoying_git". Is that login yours?

Last edited by AnnC on 02-06-2001 at 09:32

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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  Old Post 02-06-2001 06:43
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You still have the nerve to come here and make baseless accusations?

Bugs ****ing Bunny is Lazarus and the Gimp, formerly known as Trappist, one of the best posters and writers on several Civ and SMAC sites, going back to the heyday of alpha.owo, at least. That's when I met him.

AnnC is offline AnnC
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MtG, what on earth are you talking about? I'm just trying to find out which of Bugs's threads was deleted.

Trippin Daily is offline Trippin Daily
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New Orleans
Apr 1999
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MtG, take some time off from responding to Ann to cool off. Ann, I suggest likewise. I tihnk it is what you both need. I believe this blew up from many small comments turning into something large and messy. Ann wasn't targetting you with what she was saying. You two both know that when I'm asking for peace that someone drastically wrong must be going on, as I love flame wars, but not one taken personally between friends.

MtG: I realize you trust your memory sometimes more than facts, and Ann, I realize that you are taking a huge some of your own money out of your pocketbook, for no monetary gain. I believe this has brought out the worst in both of you. That doesn't mean it has to last indefinitely. So, please, both of you. Take some time off of this senseless flaming (who would have though, me calling flaming sensless) and let it die off. Then approach each other privately and dicuss things politely. I'm sure you two can reconcile your differences.

Laz, and any others who are wondering. Ann only edits threads which will cause her to lose the server. She apperently now has the server based on a company who caters to a large corporation, so they don't tolerate pornography, or piracy links in the least. Anything else is acceptable (well other than MtG at the moment, but hopefully that will pass - and I believe it will if both can keep their guns holstered).

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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Jason - I'm not hot about it.

Lazarus / BF***ingBunny described the thread, said his recollection might be wrong, but he thought it had got deleted.

"The deleted porn thread was posted by "annoying_git". Is that login yours?"

There was absolutely nothing he said to infer that he either posted a porn thread, or was the AE Ann mentioned. No basis for it at all.

He did post something about suspecting a spot of revisionism. As Lazarus and the Gimp on ACOL, he posted something far less flattering about the ACOL flap.

So it just seems funny that Ann would ask a question that has no apparent basis but suggests something discrediting about a poster she didn't know, but who said something that suggested criticism or disbelief of her posts.

At any rate, ACOL "business" is not going to spill over here to this site.

Cool avatar, BTW, the Peltier case is a disgrace.

Lazarus and the Gimp is offline Lazarus and the Gimp
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Oi, hang on a second. I didn't see any baseless accusations. As far as I'm concerned that was a straight question.

AnnC. No- I'm not "annoying git", though some might dispute that. What I posted was just a risque joke that disappeared. I think it probably involved descriptions of genitalia at some point, but to tell the truth I can't remember it.

After I posted it, someone mentioned that it might get deleted. It vanished and I wasn't too bothered about it. It may have been a technical glitch for all I know.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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BFB - fair enough, we each have our own interpretations. No problem.

Per my ICQ conversations with Kitty starting a few days ago, the ban on her will be lifted after the original ten days has run, which is today. Despite her earlier professed rambunctiousness, she has (apparently) abided by the ban, which was my whole point in extending the penalty period.

She's now released.

This thread is moot.

DaShi is offline DaShi
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
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Might have fallen off the first page into the abyss. There have been a lot of new topics posted over the last few weeks.

Not a clue as to why.

Alexander's Horse is offline Alexander's Horse
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MOBIUS is offline MOBIUS
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the movie Pearl Harbor with the "sucks like a Dutch hooker" remark.


That remark deserves a commendation - not a condemnation!

I think the initial 10 days and the 3 weeks for the DL's is fair enough - but the other ten days seems a bit out of order and smacks of an authoritarian arbitrariness...

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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That remark deserves a commendation - not a condemnation!

I think the initial 10 days and the 3 weeks for the DL's is fair enough - but the other ten days seems a bit out of order and smacks of an authoritarian arbitrariness...


Must be an imposter, the real Mobius would never use temperate or non vitriolic language about this.

DaShi is offline DaShi
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Hey, let's just slap another 41 days on Kitty's ban. If she doesn't like it she can email/pm MtG and he'll remove it (if her attitude improves.). Venom too.

Trippin Daily is offline Trippin Daily
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BFB - Sexually explicit material is not allowed, something with the service agreement she signed to get the site. Since you;ve admitted that it imight have been that, it probably was. I've said many hostile/rude things on ACOL I haven't been banned or had a post deleted. I haven't known ann to just trivially delete threads for any reason. So unless you posted the aforementioned stuff or smiley bombed a thread or similar, it had to be a forum glitch (one of those that makes my Apolyon logins disappear maybe?

If your truly curious, you can email ann and I'm sure she'll get back to you when she has the time.

MtG: I didn't mean to imply that you two hated each other, but more or less that you two need a break from each other. As you and I both know that this isn't in Ann's character (which is usually impecable) to ban people or delete threads. From my view, Ann made a joke, without a smilie, so it was taken far more seriously than it should have, and you, like me, being a good spiteful southern felt the need to reply likewise, slinging any bit of dirt you could find (I would probably have done the same) I know you don't post at ACOL often (one of the reasons IIRC was Kitty and I's immaturity. I know that you and I quite often don't see I to eye. But hopefully you agree with me on the fact that this can be remedied in time. Unless you don't want to post at ACOL again, then don't bother with what I'm saying. I do plan on emailing Ann and seeing if things can be reversed - as I'm sure, while you don't post at ACOL much, you still don't want to lose all privledges there. (please suspend the crap that you don't care in slightest, as you do have friends there which I'm sure you'd wish to keep in touch with). I'm just trying to help out here.

I know you wish this whole thing dropped, I do as well. But I want it dropped with more positive results then lets take our ball and go home. I've tried to remain neutral in this, hoping that it would blow over, but sadly it didn't, so now I'm forcing myself into the middle of this, as I few you as part of the ACOL community - even as little as you post.

If you think I'm butting in where I don't belong, just let me know, I'll give up what so far seems to be a futile effort to make peace... but then again, what ever has stopped a southern from fighting a fight that he can't win.

PS. I don't think I got to congrtulate you on Ian's first steps, so good luck with the kick who can now reach anything and everything you don't want him to reach. I'll probably semd you a personal message later on about this if you do not mind.



Well best of luck however it goes.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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Hey, Trip, I don't mind. We <i>don't</i> see eye to eye a good portion of the time, but we go way back, so you're a friend in my book.

AnnC is offline AnnC
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Bugs, I had no idea that you're Lazarus and the Gimp. That was the first thing I wanted to find out (your ACOL userid).

If your thread disappeared entirely and didn't simply sink off the page, it could be one of three things:

1. If you posted it in August 2000, it may have been one of the smilie-bombed threads that I had to delete.

2. Or it may have been moved to offline storage. The first 9999 Random Chat threads are offline. (There are a few exceptions, like the "Bump" thread.) I had to do that to recover disk space on the old server. But if your thread is in offline storage, I can find it if you'll tell me the subject line or give me some keywords to search for.

3. Or it may have been clobbered by a UBB bug that I don't know about. If that's the case, then I definitely want to find the thread since it indicates a problem that I need to address.

So do you remember the subject line?

ACOLKitty is offline ACOLKitty
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Nov 2000
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I WIN! Now I will have to go be a prof at Harvard while MtG inhabits the White House.

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yes, you won...

and this is history now, lets move on, shall we?

 
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