27-05-2001 02:13									#1
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It seemed the number of votes for each category was about even. So I figured that this poll could make things easier.

	27-05-2001 07:50									#2
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It doesn't seem to have much meaning though...

	27-05-2001 08:03									#3
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I dont understand.. what do you mean by "it doesn't seem to have much meaning?"

	27-05-2001 08:21									#4
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Since we don't know how many players there will be, it seems to be quite pointless to fix the size of the universe at this time.

5000 for 10 players is too big, however it will be too small for 100 players.

Also we don't know what the time limit will be, which seems to be dependent on the number of players. If the time limit will be 2 hours, 5000 sectors will be too big for those who won't use helpers.

That's why I suggest that we should have a pre-registration thread first.

	27-05-2001 08:30									#5
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Yes that does make sense.... We need to get Dan and Markg involved in this discussion so that we know what the limitations are. We also need to make a list of all probable players...

Here is a quick one: (based on players that are still active)

1 Marko Polo
2 Burbel
3 Urban Ranger
4 Lord Wittlich (but he wont be back for 20 or so days I think)
5 Darkman
6 xyz
7 Garth Vader
8 Yin2
9 Shadowstrike
10 King Thor
11 Lark Skywaddler
12 captvk
13 Xman
14 Predilect
15 Swissy
16 RyanR
17 Blackstone
+ more.

I think its safe to assume ATLEAST 20 players. I'm not counting the 5 or so players that I think are still active but have very low experience points. I'm also not counting playes in the top 20 whom I have not seen online and conversed with.. but they have probably played a decent amount to have gotten to that position.

	28-05-2001 07:30									#6
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experience doesn't mean much. I never haggle, but have played quite a lot. This keeps my exp. low, which is great for a good player. Worth the cost, imho.

	30-05-2001 21:39									#7
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I would say that 3000 sectors is probably a good consensus -- everyone agree with that?

	30-05-2001 22:13									#8
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I'm nervous about this whole thing... we have seven pre-registrations, but there should be a lot more. I think some of the people playing either don't know about apolyton tw, or haven't visited the forum in a while. After all, this is on a firaxis server and not apolyton's. I suggest we log in every so often and post universal announcements of the emminent rebang and the site address, as well as messaging any players online at the same time to make sure they know about the pre-registration. We then need to co-ordinate this registration thing with Dan. While I personally believe there are a lot of dupes in this game, there are way more people playing than the seven currently pre-registered, and when the game is rebanged I expect many more people will want to join.

Because of this, I think it would be jumping the gun a bit to say 3000 is an optimal number. If we have twenty players, we would probably be more comfortable in a 5000 sector universe. Let's try to tighten up this pre-registration process and inform people, and then decide. Let's do it quickly.

	30-05-2001 22:51									#9
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Good point; I saw your message today; I will try and contact storm.dll (he's on now).

	30-05-2001 23:39									#10
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I'll see if I can get Darkman to register in order to pre-register.

	30-05-2001 23:47									#11
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Drat, Storm.dll logged off before I could get him.

On a related note, I hereby remove my reservations about the universe size, and whole-heartedly back the 5,000 sector universe! 8P

However, I also ask that the number of 1 way warps be increased from 3% to something closer to 5-10%; opinions?

	31-05-2001 01:03									#12
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Why the change of heart? Although the other day I found a found a number of ports that had never been visited!

I am not a big fan of one way warps, so I don't want to see 10%

	31-05-2001 01:45									#13
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Hmm one ways = good bases & hiding places, the more of them the harder it is to scout them all. On the other hand, I like the idea of blockading some large bubbles with a bunch of ports behind them and trading like mad in the privacy of the bubble

I think this game should be about trying to establish control over territory, and that makes me want to agree with burbel on the 1 warp idea. The downside of this is that the universe will take much longer to scout (1 ether probe per 1 way warp, or personal investigation) and could ultimately result in a really wierd game. Further thoughts?

	31-05-2001 02:07									#14
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I don't think I would want to see 10% of one way
warps myself, but I think a little higher than the 3%
we have now would be nice. Maybe 5-6%? It
would leave a few backdoors, but there would
still be secure bubbles out there...

	31-05-2001 03:30									#15
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Burbel, 5% sounds like the right number to me. It was kind of hard to find any privacy in the last game, although with the larger universe I'm not sure that would be a problem anyway. Bubbles are fun though, but not too many, so 5%.