28-05-2001 16:05									#1
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Yet another of a series of polls, this one askes what is your favorite ancient civilization to play with, and why?

Mine is the Greek civilization, for several reasons. First, I am greek, so it is a reminder of my people's achivments of the past. Second, the Greeks had enorous influence on both the anciet and modern world, and their presense is still felt.

What's your favorite, and why?

	28-05-2001 16:18									#2
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I voted for the Babys, they were the first, no? I really like to play France, He He.

	28-05-2001 16:29									#3
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I like the Eygptians. They built the Pyramids, and all those beautiful temples and statues. Also, all that lovely jewelry they left buried with their kings. They are very mysterious and romantic.

	28-05-2001 17:44									#4
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"Roma victor!"

	28-05-2001 18:13									#5
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My favourite Ancient civ is the Romans, I almost always play with them for some reason. I actually voted for the Mongols, though.
The Romans and Mongols are the two civilizations that appeal to me most, from an historic point of view.
Kinda broad definition of ancient by the way, the Mongols and Vikings were rather medieval.

	28-05-2001 19:47									#6
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got to be the Greeks, you 've got to admire a people that give us democracy, philosophy, the arts and all those magnificent buildings then just sit back and chill out for 2000 years

	28-05-2001 21:17									#7
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Mongols and Vikings are ancient civs? where's the celts? what about the persians?

and the Carthaginians?

	28-05-2001 22:33									#8
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Voted for Babylonians (better: Sumerians), since indeed they were (about) the first. Egyptians were not much later, and probably in loose contact. They had similar conditions, river and growing deserts around. Why doesn't the AI take account of that?
I play the romans, greeks or germans also. One might suspect personal reasons

	28-05-2001 22:52									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Mongols and Vikings are ancient civs? where's the celts? what about the persians? and the Carthaginians?

Tell it to the game designers, Ecthy.
I had to pick a civ from each color group for balence.
I could have picked India or the Souix for Purple, but that's life.
The Romans are more important than the Celts.
China is far and away more signicant than the Persians.
The Greeks instead of Carthage is a no-brainer, except in your case.

	29-05-2001 00:28									#10
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I guess one might expect me to pick the vikings (i'm swedish) but for some reason I like the greeks better...
Besides as others have pointed out, Vikings shouldn't be considered ancient

	29-05-2001 01:34									#11
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Carthage for ever!!!!

You don't actually expect me to vote for the Greeks do you?

	29-05-2001 02:16									#12
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I mostly played the Greeks (doh!). But later I played other civs as well (if only to have Alexander staring me in da face, although I always get the english as orange opponents )

Lately I play french a lot because I love France and I like the names of the cities. I also play the Egyptians because their civ has this mysterious grip over me.
Russians very rarely.

I once played the americans. Sometimes I play the Germans too.

	29-05-2001 02:40									#13
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Hey red4ever we didn't chill out entirely after that!!! We were (emm) holding the flame of civilization in Byzantium while the rest of Europe was plunged into the dark ages (or something like that!).

Then the Ottomans kicked us in the butt but later we rose again defeated the italians in ww2 stalled the germans in order to give time to the russians to get ready and if this is not enough we now have the best beaches in the world and we are as irritating as always

	29-05-2001 03:31									#14
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I voted for China. China had an enormous influence on the ancient world.

	29-05-2001 03:51									#15
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i voted for the greeks. because i always liked Alexzander The Great. and the Spartans. but i usally take the Germans here latley. greeks never seem to have a good starting spot. I like the Vikings too. where do u ppl go for a game? ive always played in the msn gameing zone. Are there other rooms to play in or do you ppl play through icq or what? just wondered

	29-05-2001 08:28									#16
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I chose the romans, because i don't want the stupid AI to beat me in a down-to-the-wire Wonder race (if it comes to that). I also prefer the AI civs to be some other color than grey--easier to pick out on the map that way...

I never play the Americans, because they (we) are not an 'ancient civilization' in and of themselves, but an offshoot of the English.

Actully, to get technical, the English could be considered an offshoot of the Celts...

	29-05-2001 09:22									#17
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I always play the Romans these days. I discovered that the default female ruler for the Romans is Livia. My daughter's name is Annalivia so it has developed as a sort of tibute to her. Plus, the only games I play anymore are OCC and it's much quicker to reload with a bad start site if you use all the default values.

	29-05-2001 16:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by HawkHunter where do u ppl go for a game? ive always played in the msn gameing zone. Are there other rooms to play in or do you ppl play through icq or what? just wondered

Try the multi-player forum and the game league right here, on this site.
Lots of good people will be happy to help you find a game.

	29-05-2001 19:59									#19
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SPQR

The Romans are my favourite civ in Civ2, not only due to their military power, I also find the social and political struggles in the republican times very interesting. From the other ancient civs I also like the Greeks and the Egyptians...I loved Greek mythology since I was a child, and was very impressed when I read the first time about the Persian Wars, where free Greek citizens won their battles against much larger Persian forces. Like the Greek and Egyptian art and architecture too

	29-05-2001 20:39									#20
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Carthage!!!

	29-05-2001 20:46									#21
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I voted for the Babs, but the right answer is the Celts. In the matter of "ancient," there is really no reason to pick one from each color. The Celts, Persians, and "Carthaginians" are much older than Rome (or the Mongols and Vikings, who are not ancient at all). (For you sticklers, note that Carthage is an extension of Phoenicia, which was a thriving empire when what is now Rome was still ruled by the Etruscans.)

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	29-05-2001 23:48									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer I voted for the Babs, but the right answer is the Celts. In the matter of "ancient," there is really no reason to pick one from each color. The Celts, Persians, and "Carthaginians" are much older than Rome (or the Mongols and Vikings, who are not ancient at all). (For you sticklers, note that Carthage is an extension of Phoenicia, which was a thriving empire when what is now Rome was still ruled by the Etruscans.)

The reason was I wanted one from each color. And some clarification is in order.
Rome's beginning is approximately 753 bc. Ancient enough for me.
The Celts were never more than a veryloose confederation, and not a civilization at all. They didn't even have a written language. In another thread, I covered this in depth.
The rise of Persia is certainly in the ancient era, but as I said, one to a color, and China is by far older and more important.
The Carthaginians were a colony founded by the Phoenicians in circa 814 BC, so pre-date the Romans by less than 70 years, so are hardly 'far older'. More over, as a nation, their main claim to fame was to lose three major wars to Rome and to have their capital salted over. Hardly important, despite the fact that some players really enjoy them.
As for the Vikings, the choice here was Germany, France or the Vikings, so the choice is obvious.
As for the Mongols, nomadic tribes that China identifies as the the Xianbei in the Xia era (2200-1750 BC), are proto-Mongols, who settled in Gansu province. The Indus river states in Indian is at roughly this time period, but the Mongols are more significant to history, so they get the nod. As for the Souix, they never built a civilization in the sense of the other peoples in civ, so that is that.
I hope this clears up the "why weren't" questions.

	30-05-2001 01:18									#23
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My vote went to the Vikings. There's just something mysterious about them. Playing as the Vikings with some Led Zeppelin in the background is simply awesome.

	30-05-2001 04:37									#24
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although emerging to dominance in the 13th C , the mongols as we know were the largest ever spanning empire in the world....

However historians state that ethiopia is the first official empire..... but the zulu's are a long was from that

	30-05-2001 05:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Bohlen My vote went to the Vikings. There's just something mysterious about them. Playing as the Vikings with some Led Zeppelin in the background is simply awesome.

«Onward we move we trashing oar our only goal will be the WESTERN SHOAR» yeah, I know the feeling

	30-05-2001 06:10									#26
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I like to play my Viking brothers. I may be a mutt as far as ancestory goes, but the majority of me is Teuotonic in origin. I also feel that the Vikings don't get enough credit for their role in history.

	30-05-2001 19:44									#27
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Athenians I'll go for, I think, or Spartans maybe.

But wait, what is this - Greek - now who the ancient hell is that?

	30-05-2001 22:44									#28
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I vote for a civ I had to add to my rules.txt - the Mayans.

Not only did they create some fantastic art, the most accurate (albeit confusing to us) calendars, mathematics, and architecture, they invented one of the best things ever created by man - the hammock!

I shall go swing in mine this afternoon, methinks...

	31-05-2001 04:03									#29
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quote: Originally posted by East Street Trader Athenians I'll go for, I think, or Spartans maybe. But wait, what is this - Greek - now who the ancient hell is that?

Will ya whining babies adopt the euro and be quite?

If I didn't know you any better EST I'd say you were looking for a violent reaction by cpoulos with that comment you made

BTW, I saw «The mummy returns» and it has nothing to do with Thatcher trust me

	31-05-2001 20:41									#30
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quote: Originally posted by cpoulos Tell it to the game designers, Ecthy. I had to pick a civ from each color group for balence. I could have picked India or the Souix for Purple, but that's life. The Romans are more important than the Celts. China is far and away more signicant than the Persians. The Greeks instead of Carthage is a no-brainer, except in your case.

Game designers? what does color have to do with balance? can you explain me that? it was your idea to say there can only be one ancient civ per color...