30-05-2001 03:37									#1
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At one time, there was Arena play associated with MP.

More recently Game League has been accommodating Tribe play.
I have written of such in the past.

Tribes are groups of players who play against each other, one Tribe against the other Tribe, in a continuing game, until the winner is decided.
Usually these games are 3 players against 3, and any additional verified Tribe member may rotate in at any continued session.
This keeps all Tribe members involved.

I would like to initiate an MGE Tribe concept outside the scope of Game League.

Any ranking system of formality is not really a requirement.
With the amount of communication in these forums, an unofficial reputation, if not standing, will occur.

The sessions don't have to be hours upon hours, nor do they need be nightly.
Tribes does make that possible though, with the rotating in of other members.
So time, the enemy of some who would play MP, is not a factor.

All MP people here have other people they play CIv with on a frequent basis.
That is the beginning of a Tribe.
Aussie Tribes, Brit Tribes, Mixed Tribes.
It doesn't matter other than working at a time.
That can be addressed.

The Powers That Be are aware of my desire to see this happen,
and have offered support of the concept.

Is there any interest?

	30-05-2001 14:03									#2
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Sounds great, can the rest of the world adjust there schedules to fit into Aussie times please

	30-05-2001 15:54									#3
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Just as important, can some of these "best" players form Tribes?

	30-05-2001 20:45									#4
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The Aussie tribe would end up fighting it self and break down due to the infighting

	30-05-2001 21:24									#5
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If Apolyton were to form a list of tribes then the Archons would join it.

	30-05-2001 21:58									#6
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It doesn't have to be ONE Aussie Tribe, and the Aussies wouldn't be limited to only playing Aussies Tribes.
All play all.
Sure Eyes, bring the Archons into the mix.

	30-05-2001 22:04									#7
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quote: Usually these games are 3 players against 3, and any additional verified Tribe member may rotate in at any continued session. This keeps all Tribe members involved.

OK, so what you're talking about is having 6 people on what, a large map? Where are they placed? All on one side, mixed, how does it work? Woke tried explaining this tribe system to me once, but I'm still not real clear........

If its a straight up civ game with two allies vs 3 enemies, that sounds kinda interesting to me........of course it would be really tough playing people who have their teamwork and all already down

	30-05-2001 22:59									#8
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Sounds good! I like the idea of tribe play outside the realm of the league. Time IS an issue for some of us, but I'm sure there are plenty of players who will accommodate to the less fortunate.

	31-05-2001 00:29									#9
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Though some would prefer a custom map, maybe from a library of maps, I prefer random.
Nothing should guarantee you're by your Tribe mates. Just deal with the situation, which is what Civ is all about, to me.
The 2 Tribes would decide the settings beforehand.

Again, I'm talking 3 from one Tribe, playing 3 from another Tribe.
(or 2 on 2, I just think 3 on 3 better).

Time spent and continuing the game.
That's the beauty of Tribes. Play at a set time once or twice a week, or every night while you rotate different members of the Tribes into the game.
It's all so flexible, it's hard to imagine a person saying no, if they like MP.

Tuatha De Danann (click on link in my sig line for Tribe page) consists of : me, Boann, Berzerker, Khanman, General Maximus, Prometheus, and Tact. Godsfriend also, but he's been away quite a spell.

To quote the commercial, "Just Do It".

	31-05-2001 00:41									#10
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So sloww.....what kind of games are these typically? Are they fast and furious, long and drawn out or just right?

Also, how is a winner determined? I dont think total annihilation with 6 people happens very often, so I assume the game is over when the losing tribe concedes the loss?

So if you're placed on random maps, is it ok to communicate with your team members to coordinate attacks and such even before youve met? Or is that frowned upon? If you divulge your locations right away, doesnt that take away some of the mystery of the random map?

And finally, how many times a week do you play tribe games and how many tribes are there?

	31-05-2001 01:10									#11
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Just like Civ, Tribe games are all different.
Yes, you can send coordinates to your Tribe members, but you have to find them to do any exchanging.

A game is over when one Tribe concedes generally.

Right now at Game League, there are around a dozen Tribes.
Mostly they are standing around because the Moderators decided to become like Toby Tyler and join the circus.
This has caused many of the existing Tribes to become stagnant.

We can do it ourselves, here.

	31-05-2001 03:34									#12
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So many Aussies play civ , we could form our own league.

	31-05-2001 04:13									#13
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Sure, if you want to limit yourself that way.
At some point, the pride issue will take over.
You won't want to just say "We think we're the best..in Aussie Land".

I'm betting all Tribes will want to play all others, to show how well they work as a team, against ALL others.

Start an Aussie Tribe.
In League, there was a 10 member limit. I think that's good.

More players in pool to form other Tribes, but you have goodly number to rotate members in the game, keeping all involved.

And Hydey?

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quote: Originally posted by Hydey So many Aussies play civ , we could form our own league.

yes we call it the minor leagues

	31-05-2001 04:48									#15
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You're one of the ones I was waiting on, War.
In this setting, as opposed to Civ League, I think you'd be interested.

	31-05-2001 06:09									#16
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I think if you want to be a little different and perhaps more effective.

Maybe tribe games of 2 on 2.
1. Games play considerable faster with only 4 players.
2. It easier to schedule with only 4 people to worry about, especially if other people in the tribe could sub.
3. I think the handwriting would be on the wall sooner as to when one team has gotten far enough ahead that the other tribe would concede.
4. Naw, I'll lay of the Aussie joke

	31-05-2001 06:27									#17
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You're one of the ones I was waiting on, War. In this setting, as opposed to Civ League, I think you'd be interested.

me? I almost joined once or twice but i fear the cheaters......as i am not sure how to detect them

	31-05-2001 08:45									#18
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If you fear someone is cheating, just send it to me. That's what everyone else does.

	31-05-2001 09:54									#19
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Yes, send to Eyes.
I'd remind, if a Tribe gets a bad rep, that kind of sinks them to bottom because no one will play them.
They would be like walking dead.


And you can set what ypu want, 2 or 3.
I'm just not in a screaming ass hurry, and 3 on 3 is more Tribe-like. I have no problem getting 3 members to meet.

It's up to the 2 Tribes to work out.

	31-05-2001 16:11									#20
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever yes we call it the minor leagues

Thats right War4 and one day ,if you work hard enough, you just might get there.

	31-05-2001 17:34									#21
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so wheres the nomination forms ??? where do we sign up...

can you be a membe rof multiple tribes ???

	31-05-2001 19:08									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Thats right War4 and one day ,if you work hard enough, you just might get there.

well i did play rugby for a few years...... but i prefer baseball and cricket!

As for civ...... we invited you up for a cup of coffee but sent you down for more seasoning

still were short players so a call up is necessary

Seriously though, your always welcome to play Hydey!

	31-05-2001 19:38									#23
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Tribe members should be members of one Tribe only.
Put together a Tribe roster, and I guess just post here.

Eyes, or anyone, jump in here if you have imput of any kind.

I'm not going to develop any roster or standings database because I don't have the time, inclination, and more importantly the skills to do so.

I'm just a Civer, trying to get people involved in the best part of Civ, Tribes.

	31-05-2001 20:56									#24
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Markus is creating a ladder and tribes system at civ3online.com Although the layout and stuff isn't completely finished yet, the database is fully functional. I'll talk to him and see if he'll open up that part of the site early so that tribes can begin. Basically it's a ladder for teams, you play for points, but you can play anyone you want whenever you want unlike gameleague.

	31-05-2001 22:08									#25
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That's cool, but I'm trying to get people involved here, not run them off to somewhere else.

	01-06-2001 01:30									#26
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I would like to join with a german tribe.
May 2 against 2 is enough. But I think the tribes who play should make their own decisions how they want to play.

	01-06-2001 02:33									#27
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This idea of Tribes sounds very interesting. I'd certainly like to participate because if offers me the option of not having to play at all times but allows to shift the players.

Gel Max?

	01-06-2001 03:42									#28
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There you go.
The beginning of a Tribe.
This Tribe effort won't have to be "policed" really.
From what I know, all here in MP are in for 1 thing, a good time.

	01-06-2001 04:47									#29
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Sounds good to me, where do we sign up?

	01-06-2001 05:01									#30
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i talked to Rah about it last night and he seemed kinda game too... now he and i may form a tribe with a few other skilled players