31-05-2001 07:21									#1
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I want to be able to have an on going war with more than one civ on each side fighting. Like how World War I had the Central Powers which started off with Germany, Austria-Hungray, Ottoman Empire, Italy, and Bulgaria. That side ended up being basically just Germany fighting at the end. On the side of the Allies it was Great Britain and Russia then turned into US and Great Britain. I want that to be able to happen. Then another case is World War II, but I won't get into that. Basically I want the ability of being able to have a World War with maybe 5 civs involved. Or something like that.

	31-05-2001 09:11									#2
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	31-05-2001 11:25									#3
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I think there's a strong possibility for WW kind of scenario's in Civ3. Just imagine what will happen if one Civ sits on the major part of oil for example, and blocks that resource for you and your potential allies....

Actually...Italy did fight with the "Allies" in WW1. They were involved in a series of bloody battles on the "Alp"-front against Austria-Hungary.

	31-05-2001 12:09									#4
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I agree, it would be "nice" to seem some proper world wars. But if you're fighting alongside an AI, will it understand this is a "world war" and calls for a mass mobilisation of it's troops? Will it understand how to invade across oceans (i.e. sending more than one or two units).

The sucess of Civ3 single player is really going to come down to the quality of the AI. Lets hope Firaxis aren't taking AI programming lessons from Activision!!

	31-05-2001 23:17									#5
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"Actually...Italy did fight with the "Allies" in WW1. They were involved in a series of bloody battles on the "Alp"-front against Austria-Hungary.[COLOR=blue]Actually...Italy did fight with the "Allies" in WW1. They were involved in a series of bloody battles on the "Alp"-front against Austria-Hungary."


Yes, I know Italy went from the CP to the Allies later on in the war. I don't see why this wouldn't be able to happen Mr. Fun. I think if the diplomacy is good enough it should be able to happen. I'm also not just talking about scenarios, either. I want this to happen in the real game.

	31-05-2001 23:36									#6
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Italy never fought for the Central Powers, fellas... they were allied with both Germany and Austro-Hungary, but even before the war they signed a non-agression-treaty with France...

when the war began, Italy was a neutral country. Later on, they declared war on the Central Powers, yet never fought with them.

	01-06-2001 02:00									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Italy never fought for the Central Powers, fellas... they were allied with both Germany and Austro-Hungary, but even before the war they signed a non-agression-treaty with France... when the war began, Italy was a neutral country. Later on, they declared war on the Central Powers, yet never fought with them.

er actually Italy declared war against the Central Powers in 1915, or was it 1916, but then preceeded to launch several disasterous campaigns against the Austrians through the Alps. By the end of the war after 2 or 3 years and thousands upon thousands dead, Italy had actually achieved nothing. The Italian military in WW1 were possibly more incompetent and pathetic than in WW2!!!

	01-06-2001 02:09									#8
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Yes, Italy was involved in WW1... that is how the Lepanto disaster occured .

	01-06-2001 10:54									#9
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quote: Italy had actually achieved nothing.

Well...they actually achieved something: They gained the province of South Tirol from the Austrians (mostly inhabited by german speking), and if i recall correctly, Trieste and some croatian islands in the Adriatic.

	01-06-2001 12:13									#10
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The chief (there were a few) Italian military disaster of the war was Caparetto, which I'm sure I just mispelled. The entire army was miserably dislocated and they had to fall back onto a river-line in Venetia. It was all quite embarassing for Italy, and a sort of last hurrah for my precious Austro-Hungary, although IIRC the Germans were already helping them by fighting with them on A-H fronts pretty well in earnest.

As for claims, they wanted Split; heck, they wanted the whole Dalmatian coast, in modern Croatia. Split was temporarily occupied by an Italian futurist/fascist poet, kind of a funny story, actually.