01-06-2001 13:55									#1
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I think the movie clips ctp2 added a bit more excitment to the game, should avi clips be added to civ 3? For example, at the start of the game, at the end (for each victory) and possibly for wonders.

	01-06-2001 14:25									#2
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Yes. But the CTP2 clips were completely dumb. SMAC had great movie clips and I hope that Civ3 will have something at least as good the the SMAC ones.

And i'm not talking only about the video quality, but about what they say in the clips. In SMAC you had the feeling that this is something smart and interesting, in CTP2 I just skipped them after the first time.

	01-06-2001 15:15									#3
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I think movie clips for wonders and start and end game will have to be in, if for nothing else to appeal to the masses, and have pretty graphics to put on the box.

They don't add much for the gnarled civ-vets around these forums, but for the average user, they appeal, and Firaxis would be silly to not have them. Anyhoo, they might as well fill up a whole CD of space!

	01-06-2001 18:30									#4
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Firaxis has already said they won't be doing any movie clips for wonders, but you can be sure they will do it for the beginning and end.

I'll miss it though, they really brought so much life to Civ2, that I find it sad that so many people here just ignore the beauty of civilization and would prefer to act like diplomatic freaks - which always make the worst kind of leader.

	01-06-2001 18:33									#5
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btw Eli, is Israel not the land of God? Isn't that star there the symbol of Satan?

Someone teach me

	01-06-2001 18:42									#6
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quote: Originally posted by ContradictioN Firaxis has already said they won't be doing any movie clips for wonders, but you can be sure they will do it for the beginning and end. I'll miss it though, they really brought so much life to Civ2, that I find it sad that so many people here just ignore the beauty of civilization and would prefer to act like diplomatic freaks - which always make the worst kind of leader.

Apparently they are substituting stand alone AVI movie with "straight on the map" animations.

They mentioned you can actually draw a Great Canal on map and see it, same with Great Wall.

Others, more "city related" Wonders will probably show built right on City view screen (remember Civ 1?), as the screenshots already showed us. May be we'll have some animation or "work in progress feel" during building, e.g. an half done Colossus if I check my city early.

	01-06-2001 19:06									#7
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quote: Originally posted by ContradictioN btw Eli, is Israel not the land of God? Isn't that star there the symbol of Satan? Someone teach me

The symbol of 'Satan' is the pentagram, a five pointed star. Eli's avatar is the Star of David, a well known symbol of the Jewish people. As far as the origins of these symbols, I'm not exactly sure.

	01-06-2001 19:45									#8
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well adm that sounds even better

and thanks sen

	01-06-2001 21:42									#9
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I don't know, I think they shouldn't focus too much on Movieclips

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	02-06-2001 00:01									#10
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I don't know who you ultra-purists are, but the movie clips in civII added a lot to the atmosphere and historical feeling of the game. In SMAC the movie clips were even better. Who didn't enjoy hearing Chairman Yang calmly chat about the subjugation of the individual to the collective will? "Pain is simply information before the senses..."

	02-06-2001 00:22									#11
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quote: Originally posted by senowen The symbol of 'Satan' is the pentagram, a five pointed star. Eli's avatar is the Star of David, a well known symbol of the Jewish people. As far as the origins of these symbols, I'm not exactly sure.

I can't wouch for the Star of David, but the Pentagram is originally a holy seal from the babylonian pagan religion. It's a stylised representation of their warrior godess. Naturally, like many holy symbols in babylonian warrior and earth godess religion (The horned god, the apple, the number 666), it was co-opted as a symbol of evil by the early christians.

	02-06-2001 00:46									#12
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Good movie clips can add a lot of atmosphere. Start and end movies, wonder movies and perhaps some for special events (e.g. when you defeat another civ, add something to the throne romm - or whatever they have in civ3 instead) would be nice.

	02-06-2001 01:11									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase I can't wouch for the Star of David, but the Pentagram is originally a holy seal from the babylonian pagan religion. It's a stylised representation of their warrior godess. Naturally, like many holy symbols in babylonian warrior and earth godess religion (The horned god, the apple, the number 666), it was co-opted as a symbol of evil by the early christians.

Thanks, Snapcase.
However, I thought these symbols are mentioned in the Old Testament, which would mean that the early followers of Yahweh would have co-opted them.

	02-06-2001 01:16									#14
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Who didn't enjoy hearing Chairman Yang calmly chat about the subjugation of the individual to the collective will? "Pain is simply information before the senses..."

LOL. When I think about SMAC the first thing I remember is this sentence.

ContradictionN - What senowen and Snapcase said.

	02-06-2001 01:18									#15
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what we need is a better compression format for these movies; they take up to much unnecessary space.

i agree with BeBro on movies adding atmosphere. in SMAC, those movies really added to my sense of being inside the game

	02-06-2001 06:20									#16
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Yeah, Firaxis would be better of creating 2 cd's for the game, one for installation, and one for gameplay. This way they can fit stuff like movie clips in easily.

	02-06-2001 06:47									#17
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Regardless of the wonder movies getting boring after you've seen them once or twice, I'd still like to see them included in the game.

	02-06-2001 07:05									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Zanzin Regardless of the wonder movies getting boring after you've seen them once or twice, I'd still like to see them included in the game.

I believe Firaxis has announced that their will be no wonder movies, but maybee a patch might have a few... hopefully. They really like sticking with does renders!

	02-06-2001 07:29									#19
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a patch??!! i'm still not on broadband!! damned f*uckin* corrupted premier of ours.... can you believe it - RM40,000 a year for broadband, ISDN at that??

for conversion's sake, RM3.8 = USD$1
it's ridiculuos. even at singapore down north it's a a hudred something ringgit a month.

trying to build an IT society, but who except the elite can afford that price?

	02-06-2001 08:51									#20
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What are you babbling about?

Hmmm... seems to me like some one's in "rant" rode.

PS, who's your "premier" {I have a high speed LAN connection, so I get about 100-126 KB/sec.

	02-06-2001 09:18									#21
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Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad

I don't know what he's up to, but he seems to be good friends with Fidel Castro who's 74. Mahathir is 75, and the longest reigning "elected" Head of State in Asia.

Well anyway, if they won't make Movies for wonders, I seriously doubt they'll release it in a patch, although our society is moving towards broadband, because not everyone will be able to afford it, or have the need for it.