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Hey, fellow CtPers...

Tired of the same old leader pics? I was, so I made a bunch more. I have about ? {will count them all when completed } right now finished.
I also got a bit bored with that same old background, so I have (virtually) unique backgrounds for all new diplomatic photos. The idea for flags came from John LeMaitre (DiscoveryOne). I tried my best to find the nation's appropriate flag for the period of the leader (in some cases the flag is exactly the year of the leader's reign; in others, such as Ivan The Terrible, it is a regional flag, or a royal one, etc.), but I also wanted to keep things less repetetive; in many cases (esp. where resources were scarse) I opted for a flagless background (for example, Julius Caesar is shown against an ancient map of Rome). I also tried to have a good variety of old and newer leaders or historical figures, and wanted them to appear, even just a general feel in some cases, realistic. So in some cases I just used a general likeness of the individual (for instance, Peter O'Toole, from The Lion In Winter, as Henry II).
In the absense of quality female leader material, also, I used a general likeness in some cases.


These tga files will not overwrite any from Lucky's Presidental Mod, or his Egyptian Mod, or from the Apolyton Pack. I have checked but am not aware of another mod which has leader/diplomacy pics.

I acquired most of the material to make these pics from the Internet, too many sites to list. In a effort to have a good balance throughout periods, and a consistant realistic appearance, I also included many of Harlan Thompson's leader pics from the Apolyton Pack (indicated by a + in the list, as well as a 2 following the file name--ex. attila2.tga), only with a new background. (Because of his great work, in most cases very little change was done.) So, a big thanks to him for letting me use them, and for pointers from his mod on how to make them.

NOTE: The choices for leaders--I had scenarios in mind, mainly; in an effort to have the most leaders per period (i.e. the time of Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, World War Two, The Cold War Era, etc.), I tried to have a good variety for most civs.

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I will not accept responsibility for any damages, stress, loss of sleep, etc., or any negative or problematic consequences resulting from the installation, use, or abuse of this New Leaders Mod.

Also: No disrespect is intended if your favorite civ is not represented by a leader, or if your favorite leader is not included within this mod, or if you deem a leader to be inappropriate.
Furthermore: I am very tired of the debates over "Politically Correct" leaders, so I will not respond to anything on this subject any longer--if I ignore your complaints, etc., this is why. It's futile and just comes down to personal preference, IMHO. If you disagree with a choice of a leader in this mod---> please do not email me about it! Very simply do not use the picture (there's many to chose from), or use another mod. Thanks! ]

~The list has been moved to a seperate thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=21354

so this post will now serve as the (pre)readme...so, I shall include the installation segement here:

INSTALLATION

Find this directory:
...\Civilization-Call To Power\ctp_data\default\graphics\pictures

Now copy the tga (ending in .tga) files into the pictures folder. (Note: It will not overwrite pictures from the Apolyton Pack, or ones from Lucky's mods. If you have renamed any leaders pictures, or have ones you made, please see the list to ensure you don't overwrite the file.)

Change the leader's name in civ_str.txt (found in the ctp_data\default\gamedata folder ).

To change a leader, open the civ_str text file. For example, you want to change Alexander the Great to a more modern one like Venizelos. Find the Greek civ, and find this line:

GREEK_LEADERM_NAME "Alexander the Great"

Now change it to this:

GREEK_LEADERM_NAME "Eleftherios Venizelos"

Finally, still in civ_str find the diplomat photo line and have it look like:

GREEK_DIPLOMAT_PHOTO "venizelos.tga"

That's it.


(Any problems, et cetera, please post in the Apolyton - Call to Power - Creation forum, or email me at nordicus_@excite.com )


Nordicus.

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Yay

What about Woodrow Wilson (US), Georges Clemenceau(Fr) and David Lloyd George(UK) to complement Kaiser Wilhelm and Otto vB for a WW1 scenario?

Sounds great!

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Hey, IM...

Thank you for the suggestions
Funny, cuz last night I had finished Woodrow Wilson's pic and was wondering who else to include for that period. Now I just have to find decent pics.

So, there's now 131 completed

Later,

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Added a bunch. So there's 140 now.
Indonesia, Australia, Korea, and Ethiopia esp. seem a little thin, though... Does anyone have any ideas for these civs?

T.

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The Dutch leader should be Wilhelmina, not Wilhelma. And you could also include Willem van Oranje, the leader of the fight for independance from the Spanish in the 16th century. Other than that, I don't think we had any leaders worth including.

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Hi, Paul...

Good to see you're still wandering the CtP halls

Doh!--typo on Wilhelmina.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Oh, well, I don't think the leader necessarily *has* to be someone of absolute epic proportions--a couple from a more modern period would be cool...60s/70s and one from the 80s/90s, at the very least to have the majority of civs with (at least--one from either or both WW periods would be cool too) a couple 20th century leaders. Doesn't really matter precisely, anyone will do--that way if someone wants to have, say, a game with leaders from the 80s (for a Cold War scen, say), then you don't get a civ with its leader pic of someone swinging a bone club amid its suit-n-tie, modern counterparts

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For France, you could include too : Charles Magne ?

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Good stuff, Tom, as usual

Suggestions for other Dutch rulers (including them all would be too much but I'm sure you can choose the most suitable ones yourself):

Thorbecke: founder of the modern Dutch constitution and thus basicly the modern Dutch state;
Stadhouder Maurits: highly underestimated in the Netherlands but internationally seen as a very important Dutch leader;
King Willem II: my highschool history teacher would be most insulted if you didn't include the 'Merchant King', he was quite fond of the man, I still don't know why though

(for modern scenarios)
1948-1980: Queen Juliana
1980-20??: Queen Beatrix
1950s: Prime Minister Drees
1970s: Prime Minister Den Uyl
late 1970s/early 1980s: Prime Minister Van Agt
late 1980s/early 1990s: Prime Minister Lubbers
1990s/early 2000s: Prime Minister Kok

(near future scenarios)
(future) King Willem-Alexander
(future) Queen/Princess Maxima (fiancee of Willem-Alexander, maybe not the most suitable Dutch leader but certainly the best-looking one )

(No, I haven't forgotten that I'd email you, but as usual I'm very busy )

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A friend of mine who knows a lot about world history (apparantly, only found that out today ) also had a couple of additions to your list. He doesn't have the game so some of these might already be in the stardard game or in the Apolyton Pack, but there's certainly worth mentioning. He was even nice enough to include a bunch of pics for most of these (attached), some more useful than others.

Cuba - Batista

Czech - Vaclav Havel

N-Korea - Kim Jong Il, Kim Il Sung

Indonesia - Muhammed Hatta, Gus Dur

Turkey - add Ataturk after 'Mustafa Kemal'

Israel - David Ben Gurion

Chile - Augusto Pinochet

Argentina - Jorge Videla

Russia - Peter the Great

Austria/Hungary - Franz Ferdinand I

China - Puy Yi, Deng Xiao Ping

Cambodia/ Khmer - Pol Pot

Peru - Alberto Fujimori

Georgia - Nicholai Chamsachurdia

Romania - Nikolae Ceaucescu

Spain - Carlos V, Juan Carlos

Yugoslavia - Josip Broz - 'Tito', Slobodan Milosevic, Franjo Tudjman

Attachment: dic1.zip
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

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Turkey - add Ataturk after 'Mustafa Kemal'


For a scenario after 1921, before then, he was plain old Mustafa Kemal, (but then he wasn't leader)

Anyway, he was given the title Ataturk after he led the turks to reject the peace treaty offered by the Allies.

Maybe we should have Apolytoners as leader photos, that would be cool I can just imagine MarkG taking control of the belligerent Greeks, or Locutus as a nice friendly (?) Dutch leader...

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Hey, guys...

Have a bunch more done, but I haven't had time to post any updates--I think I have 170 now done (though a couple seem inadequate compared to others--working from black-n-white photos, esp. shotty ones, can be tough )

ZZW:
Thanks--I will have a look and see if there's a pic around.

Hi, Wouter--how the hell are ya!?

Cool suggestions! Thank you.
I did several searches for some civs, esp. the Dutch, but did not come up with much material...or else there were good pics but could not find much historical data, strangely enough
Actually, thru searches for merely "well-known" leaders, I came across some from your list and found good pics. Amazing what a history lesson one can get doing this


IM:

Yeah, I'll put a "Ataturk" in parenthesis in the list/readme later--I had thought of it, but 'ataturk' made the file name way too long.

TTYGL,

Thomas.

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Loc:

Hey, had a chance to examine those pics--actually, I can use all but one (too small). Please thank your friend for me

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Well, I think it's nearing completion.
I have enough material to finish what's listed above (and then some), but I have not had time to figure out who would be good for these civs:

Ireland (2 or 3 leaders)
Iraq (2 at least more)
Australia (3 - 5)
Ethiopia (a couple more, older leaders)
Syria (a modern leader),
Persia/Iran (at least one more for each), and
Finland (a few older, one newer)

Any ideas...?


G'day!

T.

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For modern Syria I would suggest Hafez Al-Assad. He has been the president from 1971 until he died last year.

I can't think of any candidates for any of the other leaders you still need.

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I could suggest some leaders for Greece but I am not sure for the spelling .

Hercules (Mythical hero)
Theseus (Mythical King of Athens, the killer of mythical Minotaur)
Minos (Mythical King of Minoans)

Menelaus (King of Sparta, Trojan War)
Agamemnon (King of Mycenae, Trojan War)
Achilles (Trojan War)
Ulysseus (king of Ithaca, Trojan War)

Pericles (Athenian, 5th century BC)
Alkibiades (Athenian, 5th century BC)
Philip II (King of Macedonia, 4th century BC)
Ptolemeus I (King of Egyptian & Palestine part of Alexander's empire, 4th-3rd century BC)
Seleuk Nikator (King of Asian part of Alexander's empire, 4th-3rd century BC)

Alexandros Ypsilantis (Hellenic Revolution, earlier half of 19th century AD)
Ioannis Kapodistrias (First Governor of Greece, earlier half of 19th century AD)
Harilaos Trikoupis (Prime Minister, later half of 19th century AD

Ioannis Metaxas (Dictator, 1936-1941 AD)
Nikolaos Plastiras (Prime Minister, after WWII)
Constantinos Karamanlis (Prime Minister, after WWII)

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Paul, Keygen:

Thanks for the ideas

I have some time today to work on what's left. And it's (slowly) getting there

T.

--Oh, if anyone would like samples, for their own games or whatever, before I post the whole thing (it might be another week before it's ready), let me know.

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hmmmmm.... Sadly Australia has never really had any notable leaders. I don't think they could be called "leaders" as such anyways. But one prime minister that would be ggod to include woul be Bob Hawke. You can find him in the guinness book of records for the fastest beer scull. What a champ!

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Persia - Darius III, the guy Alexander the Great was fighting against

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I did some research and found a couple of more leaders for you, most from the coutries you still need. One or two suggetions came from my friend again. There's plenty of Aussies and Fins on the OT, so maybe you should post there too? I have photos for some of these, if you need those, let me know and I'll email/post them (don't have much time right now).

Ireland
Micheal Collins (I'm surprised you didn't came up this one yourself, Tom, they even made a movie about the guy a few years ago)
Eamon de Valera
Arthur Griffith
Mary Robinson

Iraq
Faysal I
Nuri as-Sa'id
'Abd al-Ilah

Ethiopia
Menilek I
Zoskales
Lalibela
Caleb
(Makeda/Queen of Sheba)

Persia
Xerxes
Muhammed Reza Pahlevi (the last sjah)

India
Rajaraja the Great (according to Discovery Channel the greatest warrior India ever produced, built lots and lots of temples and stuff too)

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hmmmmm.... Sadly Australia has never really had any notable leaders. I don't think they could be called "leaders" as such anyways. But one prime minister that would be ggod to include woul be Bob Hawke. You can find him in the guinness book of records for the fastest beer scull. What a champ!


lmao!

That's hilarious--reminds me of Klein (Alberta Premier)

Sure, hey, that's fine--now we just need three or four more for the Aussies, preferably older ones. Thanks

IM:

You have read my mind once more
I had just come across a pic of him yesterday, but I was too bogged down from other stuff and forgot to refrsh the list.

Hey, BTW, one of the other times you did was about Apolyton Leader pics...I had had a similar idea--but that would require some real organization to collect all those pics and find out what backgrounds, flags, whatever, everyone wants--as well, someone with a less notorious reputation around here might want to post something on that theme ; plus, depending on how many would participate, I'd need a lot of help.


Loc:

Hey, deece, man. Thanks for those
Yes, I do recall a movie now that you mention it...who was in that...I can't recall his name--Liam Ne...something? Neison? Guy from Schindler's List, Phantom Menace. Was that the movie, or am I a stark raving lunatic?

Well, that would almost complete the list

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Micheal Collins (I'm surprised you didn't came up this one yourself, Tom, they even made a movie about the guy a few years ago)


I am too. Micheal Collins the rebel. The one who fought for the independancy of Ireland.
Nice movie too

And Xerxes? The one who started the Persian Wars!

And I see you don't have many Byzantine leader although they are many! I'll try to find some. Some that are comming in my head right now I don't know how they are called in English. Soon...

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Hey...been away, but now I'm back. Whoa, this is turning into one big-ass mod! Looks like another week before it's done--there're *many* others I have to make...

Keygen:

Yes, I had thought the same thing and found a bunch of rulers for Byzantium.


Well, suggestions are still welcome--however, I cannot guarentee they'll get into the mod due to the size restrictions, and the work involved, so they will be taken into consideration.
If there's one who you feel should be included, *please* say why and *please* send a pic, okay? Being pressed for time, I can't spend as much time searching for data on the leader (as I am, by far, no histroy expert ) *and* a decent picture *and* a decent background....
Thanks (!) to those who made all the suggestions--trust me, it saved me about two weeks of work!

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How typical of french egotism.

The interesting thing about Charlemagne is that he is considered the first GERMAN emperor here in Germany, while the french also claim him. The fact that France and Germany only got split YEARS after him would make including him... awkward.

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Yes, after seeing that name so close to "Charlemagne," I was immediately curious, searched for (*many*) hours and there were no results for a "Charles Magne;" thus, I surmized that this must be Charlemagne...and I wondered why one would want him for France (alone), or for Germany for that matter--as you say, he was the ruler of both regions. So, since his empire was indeed the Holy Roman Empire--stretching over much of Europe--I chose to keep him there. Anyone wanting him for France or Germany or Italy or Switzerland or even Hawaii, hey, happy trails to ya!

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Tom, you're switching avatars faster than you're switching email addresses! Nice sig though...

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Puhleeeeeze finish this up ASAP

...I can use some of this for my CTP2 Cradle Mod. Dale just filled all of us in on how to make it work

Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie!!!!

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Tom, you're switching avatars faster than you're switching email addresses! Nice sig though...


Thanks, Wouter
I'd thought you'd have yourself borg-ified in your avatar by now

Hey, Hex...

How's it going?

Ah, I knew someone would figure that out
Well, there's no way I could finish this up *that* quickly
Hmm... unless someone helps
Otherwise it may still be a week at least

TTYL,

T.

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Nordicus, in which folder do you put the diplomat's photo?
And where can I find the original diplomat photos?
Are they into a zfs file?

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Mmmmmm........................

Leader pics for my CTP2 DiploMod.

Yummy!

Thanks Nordicus!!!!!!!!

 
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