 |
|
markusf
|
|
A while ago me and arii played a few space race games. The rules where simple, no huts, no AI, no interaction with any other civ. ie no sending caravans or tech trading.. We pulled off some amazing stuff. Anyways i want to see what other players can come up with. I have attached one of the few saves i still have(its from 6 months ago) and the original scn file.
 Attachment: trademap.scn
This has been downloaded 19 time(s).
|
|
| |
|
|
|
markusf
|
|
and a sample save from my archive. (i am romans arri is babs)
 Attachment: game.net
This has been downloaded 18 time(s).
|
|
| |
|
|
|
samson
|
|
Researching conscription in 1020AD at King level with a scenario tech tree on a map studded with gold, wine, whales and rivers is "amazing"? What am I missing?
You need 21 more techs to achieve Fusion Power and a 1230 launch date at King level (that would be 1460 at Deity.)
FireDragon landed in 16 AD at King level.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
samson
|
|
Do what? When did you reach AC? Did you ever try it on Deity?
No huts is no problem.
No AI means no trade, but also no interference, no wars, and no barbs I see.
No wonders. Ahh, that's what I was missing. You didn't mention that. Still,
there was an OCC fortnight game with no wonders on much less rewarding terrain.
Ribannah landed in 18-something, I think. Deity. One city.
I might give this a try on Deity.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
markusf
|
|
and another thing, its a medium map. Which means the tech rate is about 2 times slower then a small map.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
samson
|
|
Why am I "screwed" any more than you were?
Yes, without wonders it would be slower going than as you originally presented it. Still, it's a trade-special loaded map with lots of grassland, rivers and offshore islands. No enemies allowed. Ideally suited to a peaceful perfectionist style of play. All elements of chance and interference have been eliminated. The tech path is wide open. There are no unknown factors or surprises to deal with. It's a good scenario for perfecting one's city development and expansion skills under nearly ideal circumstances.
The tech rate is not "2 times slower" on a medium map than it is on a small map. For the last 50 techs (the expensive ones), it costs 49,850 beakers on a medium map and 39,425 beakers on a small map, calculated at their minimum rates. And the cost ratio at the penalty rates slightly favors the medium map. Therefore, other things being equal, research time on a medium map is at most 25% slower than on a small map, not 100% slower as you suggest.
Why King level? And what dates did you guys land on AC?
|
|
| |
|
|
|
samson
|
|
quote:
Also notice i have close to 3000 science with means 1.5 turns techs /turn |
No, in 1020AD you have 2096 science at 70%. Your next advance costs 1998 beakers. If I drop your lux rate to 10%, go 80% science, and make adjustments to keeps cities out of disorder and tweak the trade, I can get 2396 beakers. But that's still not "1.5 techs/turn".
If I turn this 1020AD save into a scenario and bring it up on Deity level, the cost of your next tech jumps to 2106 beakers. At Deity a 20% lux rate is required to keep half of your cities from going into disorder. At 70% science you can still sqeeze out 1 tech/turn with 2112 beakers by shifting some workers to trade-rich squares. But next turn the cost is 2145 beakers and it gets a lot tougher to hang onto that 1 tech/turn rate.
Deity cuts into science two ways -- higher cost of advances and reduced ability to generate beakers. Play level is a bigger factor in research rate than map size.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
markusf
|
|
I leave science at 90% luxeries at 10% sometimes i got to 10% taxes and 10lux and 80 science.
Rush buying caravans every turn and sending them into the big city at the center produces enough science to fill up the beakers needed for an advance. Strange how some times i get 500 cash to my own cities and other times 100 cash.
how are you finding the exact beaker count needed?
|
|
| |
|
|
|
samson
|
|
In your 1020AD save, you can't set science to 90% and 10% luxuries. You have only 121 gold in your treasury, without 10% taxes you run at a deficit of 234gold. You'll start losing improvements.
In 1020AD you have only 1 freight, and it's still in production. You aren't going to be rush-buying anything this turn.
The beaker count for your current advance is found by temporarily turning all scientists to elvis and setting your science rate to 0%. The number of turns it tells you for the next advance is based on 1 beaker. That is the beaker cost of your next advance.
Matching the science output of your cities to the precise cost of each advance throughout the game is called "beaker counting" -- a micromanagement technique for optimizing research.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
markusf
|
|
Same maps are easy to do it on...
The main purpose is to improve your game, and playing with the ai is just as boring as playing without them.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
markusf
|
|
ya i learned a lot here. I normally play on diety, but practicing on king on this map was a great way of testing strats. I found that i built way to many banks and stock exchanges. But in a real game you have to build up both
|
|
| |
|
|
|
markusf
|
|
i don't remember we stopped when we first landed. Also this was sim turns, so we lost about 6 turns to reloads. My goal was to be able to replicate this in a normal. Sad thing is if you remove all the gold specials etc except for the first 2 cities. You will only land about 10 turns later. I was amazed to find that trade specials mean so little to the outcome... but i guess it makes sence.
|
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:14.
Apolyton Time is 00:14. |
top of page
|
| archivepost |
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
04-06-2001 11:38
Also notice i have close to 3000 science with means 1.5 turns techs /turn
|