08-06-2001 01:07									#1
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"This means that an area you ignored or gave to the Phoenicians (in return for some wicked-cool bronze deposits) may turn out to someday be rich in oil or uranium. Surprise!"

LOL!! I hope they don't include plastic deposits in late game!!

	08-06-2001 01:29									#2
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Maybe Civ3 includes dwarves, who mine all the metals and secretly replace them with alloys...

	08-06-2001 01:31									#3
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bah.

quote: gave to the Phoenicians

giving land?

dammit, what kind of ruler are you.

ALL THE LAND IS MINE.

the other civs are my tenants.

	08-06-2001 01:36									#4
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3 to 1 odds it's Game-Revolution's mistake and not Firaxis'. Also: why does the preview mention "nanotech-wielding"? Such things were in SMAC, but not Civ II, as far as I can recall.

	08-06-2001 02:46									#5
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX giving land? dammit, what kind of ruler are you.

Ever heard of understatements? He meant of course "traded", or "exchanged".

	08-06-2001 09:22									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq Maybe Civ3 includes dwarves, who mine all the metals and secretly replace them with alloys...

Ah, so they've taken a page from ToT? Civ3 will have layered underground maps as well!

	09-06-2001 12:19									#7
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What kind of squired up thread and replies are these?

	09-06-2001 12:21									#8
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Maybe Civ III should let you build cities in the sky.


What kind of squired up thread and replies are these?

	10-06-2001 13:13									#9
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i quite like this idea, it would be fun to have traded land to some poor civ only to find out it it is richest in later years, bit like the mid east now, no body wanted to settle those areas so left the major powers left them to the nomads, now look at how welathy they have become, rich enough to buy weopons to protect themselves from losing what they have...

	11-06-2001 04:57									#10
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Rasputin, the point is that Bronze is an alloy of Copper and Tin, and thus doesn't exist in natural deposits

	11-06-2001 05:52									#11
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Acctually,its pretty astounishing if you ask around how many people DON'T know that Bronze is a alloy...I ask them where Bronze is found and they ask "where?". Pitifull really...If Sid meier makes an oversight like this,my respect points will drop quite a bit for him.So he'll move from "As close as mortal man will ever get to God" to "Up there with Buddha and Ghandi"...*L*

	11-06-2001 07:18									#12
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while we're at it, what is titanium made of? and I hope we get some in civ3

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Titanium's made of titanium. It's element #22.

	11-06-2001 07:46									#14
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I had a history teacher who thought you could mine steel.

	11-06-2001 07:54									#15
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I thought there was a titanium alloy?

And are you saying titanium is a natural resource? how come its only been found recently?

	11-06-2001 08:02									#16
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This is interesting, something I didn't know.

"Q: Where does titanium come from?
A: Titanium is an abundant element. It is found in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, China, Australia, Russia, as well as other countries."

http://www.alleghenytechnologies.co...es/help/faq.htm

	11-06-2001 11:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by eNo I had a history teacher who thought you could mine steel.

A history teacher?
One would think that atleast this teacher would know what steel is (whit the industrialization and all).

	11-06-2001 12:17									#18
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Titanium wasn't found only recently. The commercial use for it was only found recently. Titanium itself is not rare at all, but the dificulty of mining it makes it expensive

	11-06-2001 15:09									#19
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There is indeed a Titanium alloy, in fact several alloys I believe. Titanium steel is I believe one of the more common. It has the benefit of being both strong and very light.

	11-06-2001 17:51									#20
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Same with aluminium...before modern electrolysis techniques, anything made of aluminium was quite highly prized and expensive, despite it being the most abundant element in the earths crust. It was there, but they just couldn't get the stuff out. Now they can with relative ease (and bucketloads of electricity).

I suppose the bronze resource could consist of the presence of both copper and tin resources on the same square, although it would make it more interesting to have to find both copper and tin resources on the map so you can make bronze

Besides, I never saw this in any of the previews; plenty of iron resources once you discovered iron working, but bronze just seemed to be taken for granted that it existed.

Titanium is an element in itself. There are alloys of titanium, ie, titanium is one of the components such as certain types of steel.

And why does that not surprise me for a history teacher? My history teacher once said, when I was 14, that I would fail all of my GCSEs and never get anywhere. 9 GCSEs, 4 A-Levels and an Oxford degree later, I have every right to go back and blow raspberries in her face

	11-06-2001 21:23									#21
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I've been playing Imperialism II alot recently (a civ-type game far better than EU) and I think they had the most simple, yet elegant resource model (for a civ-type game)...

1 tin + 1 copper = 1 bronze
1 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel
1 iron + 1 iron = 1 cast iron
1 wool + 1 wool = 1 fabric
1 cotton + 1 cotton = 1 fabric
1 timber + 1 timber = 1 lumber
and so on...

The resources are spread out logically (iron in mountains, etc.) much like the specials in Civ2 but instead of just adding to trade and shields, they add to your warehouse so you can use them to produce derived resources, to buy/sell and of course, to use in producing units. It appears that Civ3 is heading that way. In fact, I believe that it can pick up alot of things from Imperialism II that would improve upon Civ2.

	12-06-2001 03:59									#22
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I'm pretty sure that both civ1 and civ2 mentioned in their civilopedias that bronze is an alloy of copper & tin. My guess is that Firaxis did indeed include bronze deposits, (for Greek special unit) but decided not to divide it into separate components for balance & gameplay. After all, oil still needs to be refined to get any decent use out of it.
I just find it amusing.