06-06-2000 18:58									#1
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Well, it's been a fortnight since the last one so i figure i'll keep the ball rolling myself!!!

You play as St David of the Welsh!!!
Deity
Small Random Map
7 Civs
Raging Hordes!!
File: bcb2a.zip


I was going to post Adams, SOC1 game but i still couldn't load it on my computer!!!! if someone has a version that works, e-mail it to me, and i'll post it for bcb3!!!!! I couldn't get Shaka's sav game to load on my pc either?!?! what's going on...

And the log info, we had a variety of logs for the bcb1. Take a look at Table1 and make sure you include the items listed!!! and also just try and keep a record of things you do. ie cities you take over, cities you found, what you find in huts, outcomes of main fights etc... but don't go overboard, make sure you have fun!!! and if anyone has any suggestions for other items/events or anything else that may be important, post your idea...

Edited: Dead links... and technical difficulties!?!??!
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	06-06-2000 22:04									#2
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Oldman - Don't you ever sleep?

Forget Civ for one night - and go talent spotting in Uxbridge!

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	06-06-2000 22:20									#3
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Oldman,

I don't think you had the "Don't restart eliminated Civs" option turned on for this one.

If there is a way I can turn it on myself, I would have, but I didn't find it. I don't know if you did this by design or not, but I think if you kill a civ before 1ad (or maybe it's 1000bc), then they are automatically restarted.

Oh well, here is my log of the (aborted) attempt at the game:

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1st: Mongols (3200bc)
2nd: Egyptians (2850bc)
3rd: Japanese (2650bc)
4th: Babylonians (by the hand of the Germans – 2400bc)
5th: Germans (2250bc)
6th:

Remaining: At LEAST the Aztecs, Celts, Persians, and Souix from the "top-5" cities list.
CHEAT MODE revealed the French were also still alive

Writing: n/a
Monarchy: n/a
Fuedalism: n/a
Chivalry: n/a
End: n/a

No wonders completed

4000bc- Since my location is at (14,40), I assume I am in the SW corner of the land mass
Move one settler generally north, and one settler generally east
3950bc- hut-Masonry (dang!)
3850bc- hut-Horseback Riding (double-dang!); another hut-horsemen
3800bc- wondering if this is an island – by what I can see of the shores, looks like I can go west
3600bc- hut-50gold
3550bc- Mongols: peace, no alliance, no tribute
3500bc- hut-archers
3400bc- Celts: peace, no alliance, no tribute; trade for alphabet
3300bc- hut-horsemen; hut-pottery
3200bc- attack Karakorum with 2 horsemen. Fortified warrior (on river) kills first horseman; 2nd horseman kills the weakened warrior (not a “week-end warrior”) and takes the city; Mongols destroyed
3150bc- hut-50gold
3100bc- Persians: peace, no alliance; ceremonial burial as tribute; hut-map making; share maps with all
Egyptians: peace, alliance; share maps
2900bc- Break alliance with Egyptians; attack size-2 Thebes and kill a fortified warrior
2850bc- Finish the job on Thebes; Egyptians destroyed; Hut-archers
2750bc- Japanese (uh, oh. They have Bronze working): peace, no alliance, no tribute, share maps
2700bc- lose an archer to the fortified phlanx in Kyoto; Horseman kills it
2650bc- Kyoto counter-attacks with a warrior, who dies; I take over Kyoto; Japanese destroyed;
Kyoto is building settlers
2450bc- Germans; peace, no alliance, share maps-only one city and no bronze working
2400bc- attack Berlin’s fortified warrior on river with archer; warrior destroyed
Babylonian civilization destroyed by the germans
2350bc- Germans counterattack with Chariot; it hits once and dies; allowing archer to walk in
Berlin destroyed.
2250bc- Find 2nd German city and destroy it; Germans destroyed
1750bc- hut-archers
1550bc- Aztecs? I thought I already killed the Egyptians—how can I find aztecs?

Oh well, starting over – I guess Oldman forgot the “restarting civs” thing. I confirmed it by checking the “top-5 cities” box, and even though I killed the Mongols; “Little Bighorn” is on the list. Oh well.

I was doing pretty well until I captured Kyoto. I didn’t want any cities, but I also didn’t want the Japanese to live any longer (since they had Bronze Working). The Celts were getting a little big, but if the world wrapped around (not an “island”), then I would have some horsemen down there soon. I was coming in on both sides of the Persian capital, but I don’t know how many new cities they had.


[This message has been edited by vik (edited June 06, 2000).]

	07-06-2000 13:00									#4
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Oh b******s!! i'll fix it and repost the scenario, sorry about that Vik. I'll table what you've done anyway and asterisk it or something?!?! unless you want to try again?

Scouse, Talent spotting in Uxbridge? you've never been to Uxbridge have you? about the only talent in Uxbridge is how so many imbeciles oc-exist in the local area?!!?!? ha ha, I've honestly not played civ for at least a week now, and won't get chance to play for another 3 or so... And don't get me started on the sleep thing!??! i keep on getting nagged by this guy at work, it's like being married?!?!!? ha ha,

	07-06-2000 16:08									#5
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I played it even with the civs restarting, but it won't matter as at 1700 I've been hammered by barbs!

	07-06-2000 16:56									#6
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Oldman,

If you edit it, I'll try it again. Just understand that my results will be tainted since I've already seen the map.

I also suggest you edit the first message in this thread so that other players won't download the original BCB2 scenario and encounter the same difficulties.

	07-06-2000 17:21									#7
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Good point about the link Vik!!! it shouldn't matter too much about you knowing where to go, but i'll take it into consideration and add, say 500 years to your score?!?! ha ha, just kidding!!!!!! i'll sort it out this evening and have it working my 8pm GMT!!!

	09-06-2000 02:38									#8
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Well... aren't you a little bit late?

	09-06-2000 12:18									#9
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Sorry Silver,
I kind of went out for drink after work with my mate mark, just one i said!!!!! but it turned into a dozen and i got home at 1 and passed out!!! and last night i went to a Battle of the Bands final or something, great fun!!!!! i should be able to do this after noon! i'll post a message when i get around to it!!!!

	10-06-2000 09:09									#10
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Finally i've updated thescenario!!!!!! so here it is: bcb2a.zip

	24-06-2000 09:11									#11
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Boy, did this one drop off the radar! I finally finished. I nearly quit when I built GW instead of STWA ( ), but soldiered on. Much worse results than last time, am I getting worse at this?

-4000 (13,39) Chariot (NONE)
-3900 (7,39) Horsemen (NONE)
-3850 Mongols destroyed by Persians
-3750 London Established (12,40)
-3700 (11,45) Pottery
-3650 (1,37) Archers (London)
-3500 London: Warriors
York Established (7,39)
Celts: Bronze Working
-3450 Celts: (Alphabet) No
-3350 Celts Alphabet for Pottery - No
-3300 York: Warriors
(19,41) Barb horsemen (kills chariot)
Celts: No
-3200 (0,26) Advanced Tribe (Nottingham)
-3150 Celts: War
(18,30) Barb Legion (kills warrior)
Barb archer kills horsemen
-3050 Nottingham: warrior
Celts: 46
3rd most advanced
-3000 Celts: No
Barb archers erase Nottingham
-2950 Celts: No
-2850 Horseback Riding
Celts: No (Currency)
-2800 London: Settlers
-2750 York: horsemen (rehomed to London)
-2650 Celts: Currency
-2550 Celts: War
-2500 Celts: 36
-2450 (24,32) 50 Gold
-2400 Celts: War
-2350 Celts: 9
-2300 York: Settlers
Celts: War
-2250 Persians: Warrior Code
-2150 Persians: War
-2000 Hastings Established
Celts: (Ceremonial Burial) War
-1950 Celts: Ceremonial Burial for Warrior Code
Warrior killed by barb chariot
-1900 Canterbury established (7,43)
-1850 London: Archers
Hastings: Horsemen
Persians: (Mathematics) War
-1800 Horsemen kill barb horse
Celts: 50
Barb horse dies attacking my archer
-1750 Celts: War
-1700 Persian phalanx dies attacking my horse
Persian catapult kills my horse
Barb king disappears (Grrr!)
-1650 Celts: War
-1600 York: Settlers
-1550 Code of Laws
-1500 Horsemen kill Celtic warrior
-1400 London: Settlers
-1300 Celts: 50
-1200 Celts: War
-1150 Hastings: Settlers
-1100 Celts: Withdraw
Persians: 100
-1050 Coventry established (13,45)
Egyptians: (Map Making) 150
-1000 Persians: War
-975 Persians: 100
-925 Canterbury: Settlers
York: Warriors
Celts: War
-900 Celts: 100
Persians: War
Persian archer kills my horsemen
-875 Monarchy, revolt
Warwick established (19,45)
-850 London: Settlers
Celts: War
-825 Monarchy government
Egyptians: Map Making
-800 Egyptians: Writing for Pottery, Masonry
-775 London: Diplomat
Egyptians: 25
Persians: 100
-750 Newcastle established (16,34)
Celts: 150
Persians: (Iron Working) No
-725 York: Settlers
Egyptians: War
Persians: War
-700 Persians: 100
-675 Oxford established (17,39)
Celts: (Iron Working) War
Persians: War
1st happiest (big deal!)
-650 Hastings: Settlers
York: Settlers
Celts: 200
Egyptians: 50
My horse kills Persian archer
-625 Persians: 25
-600 Warwick: Settlers
Celts: War
-575 London: Settlers
Egyptians: War
-550 Trade
My horse dies attacking Celt Settler
-500 My archer kills Celt horse
-475 Newcastle: Settler
-450 York: Diplomat
Celts: 50
-425 Liverpool Established (2,34)
Oxford: Warrior
Celts: Withdraw
Egyptians: (Mysticism) No
Persians: 25
-400 Persians: Iron Working
-375 Dover Established (8,38)
Celts: War
Persians: Mathematics
Bribe Celt archer (129), kill warrior
-350 Bribe Celt archer (129)
Egyptians: 50
-325 Bribe Carmarthen (57), 4 gold (76,36)
-300 Newcastle: Diplomat
London: Diplomat
Egyptians: War
Persians: 25
Celt Horse kills my settler
-275 Newcastle: Diplomat
Warwick: Caravan
Persians: War
-250 Oxford: Caravan
Coventry: Caravan
London: Caravan
Bribe Zulu trireme (122)
Celts: 50
-225 London: Hanging Gardens
Persians: 50
-200 York: Caravan
Celts: War
-175 Canterbury: Diplomat
-150 Polytheism
-125 Liverpool: Diplomat
Oxford: Diplomat
-75 (25,15) Nomads
-50 Newcastle: Elephant
Celts (Mysticism) No
-25 Dover: Elephant
Warwick: Elephant
Brighton established (28,30)
Celts: 50
Egyptians:50
Persians: 25
1 (27,9) 100 gold
Celts: War
Egyptians: War
Persians: 25
2 Celt Warriors die attacking my fortified archer on a mountain
20 Persians :mysticism
Luxemburg destroyed (2 gold)
Pasargardae bribed (216) 8 gold, 1 archer, 1 legion
60 Brighton: diplomat
Newcastle: diplomat
Japanese (the wheel) no maps, 200
80 bribe Arbela (108) 6 gold, The Wheel, phalanx
Norwich established (38,15)
Japanese: war
120 Giza destroyed, 3 gold
Karakorum bribed (324 gold), 23 gold, barracks, archer, phalanx
Leeds estasblished (28,24)
140 Three elephants die attacking Cardiff
Reading established (33,31)
160 Susa destroyed, 4 gold, Persians destroyed
180 Feudalism
London: Great Wall (Whoops)
Germans: 400
200 Germans: Literacy for Trade
240 Birmington established (40,20)
260 Germans: war
280 (53,7) 25 gold
300 Japanese: 300
Egyptians: 50
320 Japanese: war
Egyptians: war
Osaka captured (10 gold)
Kagoshima destroyed
340 London: Sun Tzu's War Academy
2 (!) barb leaders
Edo bribed (399) phalanx, warrior
Lhasa captured, 35 gold
Kells bribed (414 gold), archer, legion
400 Satsuma destroyed (Japanese destroyed)
440 Celts: 50
460 Cardiff destroyed, 5 gold, Celts destroyed
500 Konigsburg captured, 15 gold
Richmond established (71,29)
520 Hamburg captured, 18 gold, Construction
540 (71,39) Astronomy
560 Egyptians: 100
620 Berlin captured, 35 gold, Germans destroyed
640 Thebes destroyed, 12 gold, The Republic
660 Memphis destroyed, 7 gold
740 Alexandria destroyed, 4 gold
760 Chivalry
Bribe Pi-Ramesses (165 gold), 38 gold, phalanx, Egyptians destroyed

	24-06-2000 09:25									#12
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Oh ya forgot about this one.Not sure if this is worth posting or not as the scour the map build no cities plan seems to go much faster.


4000-hut-horseman
3900-hut-chariot-London-York-taxes need adjustment
3800-Mongols destroyed by Persia-bonus
3750-Alphabet
3600-hut-horseman-supported(York)
3550-hut-archer-supported(London)
3500-Burial
3450-contact Celts-trade Burial for Bronze-peace-hut-barb horse-terminated
3400-hut archer-NON
3350-London starts wonder
3300-contact Persia-peace-hut 50 gold
3250-Celts declare war-hut(hill)-barb horse
3200-horseman-KIA
3100-hut-100 gold
3050-York builds settler
2950-raze Cardiff-Celts destroyed
2850-Laws
2800-Nottingham
2600-barb leader 150
2350-Monarchy-revolt-trade Persia Burial for Warrior Code
2250-govt.-Monarchy
2050-York-settler
1750-Feudalism-Persia-tribute 50
1700-Nottingham builds settler-Hastings founded
1450-Canterbury
1200-Horseback Riding
1150-contact Japanese-peace-tribute 150
1100-Hastings builds settler-Yortk builds settler
1050-Persia-tribute 50
875-Chivalry-Sun Tzu’s-tribute-Japan 25-Persia Pottery-
850-contact Egypt-tribute 100
825-London builds temple
800-trade Egypt-Monarchy and Laws for Map Making and Writing
650-Egypt declares war-tribute-Persia 100-Japan 100
550-Luxembourgh razed-22 gold Iron Working
525-Susa captured 11 gold-Masonary
425-hut-advanced tribe-capture Parsargadae-17 gold Currency-Persians destroyed
375-barb leader 150
275-Japan declares war-raze Kagoshima
250-contact Germans-tribute 150-raze some Japanese city-14 gold Poly-peace with Japan
125-capture Memphis 24 gold
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AD1-Tribute-Germans 25
80-capture Thebes-80 gold Construction-raze Satsuma-The Wheel
100-ceasefire with Japan-tribute 37 gold-break it immediately-found Warwick
120-Egyptians destroyed
160-raze Nara 16 gold
180-hut-Trade
200-barb leader 150
220-raze Hamburg-16 gold
240-raze Osaka-16 gold
360-raze Berlin 36 gold-Germans destroyed
420-capture Lhasa- 121 gold-Japanese destroyed

Monarchy-2350BC
Feudalism-1750BC
Chivalry-875BC

Sun Tzu-875BC

1.Mongols-3800BC *by Persians*
2.Celts-2950BC
3.Persia-425BC
4.Egypt-120AD
5.Germany-360AD
6.Japan-420AD