30-06-2001 00:47									#1
	FGN interview w/ Firaxis... Increase the size of your Attachments

http://www.fgnonline.com/pc/news/19126.html

I haven't even read it yet but its worth checking out...

	30-06-2001 01:00									#2
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Not very much in the way of new info, except that there's no guarantee that this is the last Civ game, and a virtual promise that if Civ3 sells well, there will be a fourth. Good tip, though.

	30-06-2001 01:21									#3
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Really new there, but it sounds like Firaxis is at least getting close to finishing (I hope).

	30-06-2001 01:39									#4
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Wasn't this the first time that a firaxian officially said when they were aiming to get this out directly?

	30-06-2001 01:42									#5
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He does say that they're aiming for this fall...that means if I don't have a copy on the 22nd of December, somebody's gonna pay.

	30-06-2001 02:42									#6
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they should do less interviewing and more coding.

i'd rather have no info and the game now then all the info about the game but a december release

	30-06-2001 02:53									#7
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quote: But, you know, if players want more…

I want more!

As the gametype is becoming better there is still more things that might be added and create Civ IV.

	30-06-2001 02:53									#8
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I'm with uber on this one. It also seems that a lot of the info they do give us is insignificant or incomplete.

	30-06-2001 04:50									#9
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Notice no mention of "improved AI." So the question remains: How will the comp handle all the fancy new things?

	30-06-2001 08:30									#10
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Just 'cause they're not saying it constantly doesn't mean it ain't there. It's hard to describe to the public what exactly they've done for the AI; that'll just have to wait until we play it.

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KH:

Of course. But are you telling me "Improved Graphics" is any harder to print than "Improved AI"? See the point?

	30-06-2001 09:51									#12
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Yeah, but they can show pretty pictures for "Improved Graphics".

	30-06-2001 10:22									#13
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if they dont give interviews how will they get their egos boosted !!!

	30-06-2001 11:36									#14
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Well, it's not as if any of those "Improved This" or "Improved That" stuff means anything anyway. But if you're going to mention Diplomacy, Trade, War and Graphics (show me the pretty pictures of Diplomacy, Trade and War, btw...can't right?), then certainly something like "and an AI that can handle it all really well" is the LEAST one might tack on.

Listen, Diplomacy and Trade are very complex things that will only have meaning in single player if the comp has been thoroughly built around it. The fact that NOTHING has been mentioned of that is cause for concern.

	30-06-2001 11:50									#15
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ummmm. I wouldn't recommend reading into these interviews so much yin. It's less of a headache because most of this info won't matter in the end.

	30-06-2001 11:52									#16
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I agree, of course. But if you're gonna hype a game, hype what actually MEANS something to gamers, for goodness sake! Heck, I'd pay $50 for Civ2 again if it had killer AI.

	30-06-2001 11:55									#17
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Cant access that website from work, did they mention anything about MP ???

	30-06-2001 12:02									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin Cant access that website from work, did they mention anything about MP ???

FGN Online: What can expect from the multiplayer side of things?

Jeff Briggs: We're working on some cool approaches to multiplayer that we’re not yet ready to talk about.

	30-06-2001 12:19									#19
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Thanks for that.
notihng new then , i heard that statement long time ago...

	30-06-2001 12:33									#20
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Listen, Diplomacy and Trade are very complex things that will only have meaning in single player if the comp has been thoroughly built around it. The fact that NOTHING has been mentioned of that is cause for concern.

Well, I certainly understand your concern, and also the crucial importance of it. But, I also believe that they gonna concentrate on the AI totally, first then most game-mechanical details already is put into place. Perhaps these details already is.

But yes, they could at least give us some principal hints about the AI-guidelines in some future Civ-3 website update. Also, what are their objectives and goals, comparing with the AI in Civ-2 and SMAC, and how (in princip) are they planning to achieve that?

	30-06-2001 18:16									#21
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No problem Rasputin

	01-07-2001 01:41									#22
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I know how they can make the game stronger.
Level 7; You will never win, so don't even try it.
Code one; build warriors at a rate of 4 to 1 (human)
Code two; Go find human player city.
Code three; Redirect all AIs warrior to attack the Human player.
Code four; Has the asses fall, a little window come up and ask the human player would he/she like to sit back and watch the AIs kill each other or start a new game.
This is the game some of you are asking for right?

	01-07-2001 02:05									#23
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well at least its coming out (hopefully) this year.... i have three weeks of holidays coming .......

	01-07-2001 02:44									#24
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quote: Originally posted by joseph1944 I know how they can make the game stronger. Level 7; You will never win, so don't even try it. Code one; build warriors at a rate of 4 to 1 (human) Code two; Go find human player city. Code three; Redirect all AIs warrior to attack the Human player. Code four; Has the asses fall, a little window come up and ask the human player would he/she like to sit back and watch the AIs kill each other or start a new game. This is the game some of you are asking for right?

What?

	01-07-2001 02:58									#25
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Just 'cause they're not saying it constantly doesn't mean it ain't there. It's hard to describe to the public what exactly they've done for the AI; that'll just have to wait until we play it.

It would be very easy to say, "the AI civs have been programed to uses every aspect of the game to give the player a challenging game experience."

But maybe that is what the "game balancing" he mentioned is about. They can't say it cause they haven't acheived it, yet.

	01-07-2001 03:22									#26
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse What?

Its easy. A lot of player want the AI to be the best at everything, moving troops, attacking the Human, using stack formation, build more cities, so if that what they want, all Firaxis has to do is make level 7 so tough that no one, and I mean no can win.

	05-07-2001 05:15									#27
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YYYEESSS!!!!!! THANKYOU GOD IT'S THIS FALLLL!!!

And more we want more!!



I'm so happpy! When I get back civ 3 might be only a few weeks away. I gotta hug someone ooohh!!!
Best news in months!


Breath breath in out OK...

	05-07-2001 09:58									#28
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quote: Originally posted by joseph1944 Its easy. A lot of player want the AI to be the best at everything, moving troops, attacking the Human, using stack formation, build more cities, so if that what they want, all Firaxis has to do is make level 7 so tough that no one, and I mean no can win.

No. I think most people want to be able to say "I played a single player game last week on emperor/hard difficulty and won" and have a sense of achievement. Victory should not be guaranteed if you manage to survive the first part of the game, let alone possible with a single city. Creating a "killer mode" difficulty level won't appeal to anyone, especially if the AI still can't navigate from A to B in the most efficient line or understand how to compete effectively in tech research, wonder construction, empire expansion etc. It's like chess - almost all players want a chess simulator that can give them a challenging game while allowing them to win often enough to keep it enjoyable. Giving the AI 8 queens instead of pawns isn't the same thing at all.

	05-07-2001 11:34									#29
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I don't think Jeff Briggs is a big programmer at Firaxis

As for a cheater level, it's ridiciulously easy to program, but who cares? Players want a challenge, not a decimation.

	05-07-2001 12:10									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold Giving the AI 8 queens instead of pawns isn't the same thing at all.

Tried this in computer chess game. Computer won in 4 moves.