30-06-2001 17:00									#1
	yes, the server was down for 6 hours.... Enter the AD-FREE zone

in case you didnt notice

if you take the numbers of this year though i think we are still around 99% uptime....

	30-06-2001 17:15									#2
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Nevertheless, being down for several hours for the 3rd time in 3 weeks is not a good thing. And why is the clock 3 hours behind every time the server goes down?

	30-06-2001 17:26									#3
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Mark/Dan

1. I appreciate all the work you do, bla bla bla *

2. Is this teaching you anything? Hopefully, you will take a firmer hand with the tech staff and push for better explanations.

3. Maybe I should start a poll on the next downtime *


*obligatory smileys to make it more gentle for Dan...

	30-06-2001 19:10									#4
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Hmmm, didn't notice, was sleeping.

Seems to be happening quite frequently as of late.

Any idea what is causing it?

	30-06-2001 20:00									#5
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Civnation's banning caused it. If he is not reinstated, far worse things are on the horizon. Watch your pets, people

	01-07-2001 02:44									#6
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We are firm enough on tech, GP, and they have isolated the problem of the previous crashes.

I am told it is the result of certain scripts being run several sites on the network that have been, suffice to say, inproperly programmed. They have contacted the owners of these sites and are actively monitoring the situation. I would say that should the server go down again and it is proven that these scripts are the culprit that GS Tech. will forcibly terminate them.

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	01-07-2001 03:03									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Hmmm, didn't notice, was sleeping. Seems to be happening quite frequently as of late. Any idea what is causing it?

Well, you might not be drinking enough caffeine.

What? It was funny. BTW, the server's still three hours behind time. The only time this ever bothered me was when I posted right before the server went down. It came back up almost immediately, but with the three hour lag. Because of this, any time I tried to post in the next three hours, it gave me the message that posting more than once every forty-five seconds was verboten.

	01-07-2001 03:15									#8
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quote: Originally posted by DanQ We are firm enough on tech, GP, and they have isolated the problem of the previous crashes. I am told it is the result of certain scripts being run several sites on the network that have been, suffice to say, inproperly programmed. They have contacted the owners of these sites and are actively monitoring the situation. I would say that should the server go down again and it is proven that these scripts are the culprit that GS Tech. will forcibly terminate them. ------------------ Dan; Apolyton CS

Thanks for the update. Glad to see you stepping in and kickin'ass...umm are we one of the offenders? Is vB an issue?

(consider the smilies inserted)

	01-07-2001 03:17									#9
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Well, you might not be drinking enough caffeine. What? It was funny. BTW, the server's still three hours behind time. The only time this ever bothered me was when I posted right before the server went down. It came back up almost immediately, but with the three hour lag. Because of this, any time I tried to post in the next three hours, it gave me the message that posting more than once every forty-five seconds was verboten.

We just need to makes sure all downtimes are greater than three hours!!

	01-07-2001 03:18									#10
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Monday is a statutory holiday in Canada and Tech. thus won't most likely be able to correct it until Tuesday morning.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	01-07-2001 03:21									#11
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Hey GP. I always step in and kick ass... you know that by now, don't you?

I was told (this all was just yesterday) that no, Apolyton was not one of the culprits in the server crash, vB or otherwise.

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	01-07-2001 03:30									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DanQ We are firm enough on tech, GP, and they have isolated the problem of the previous crashes. I am told it is the result of certain scripts being run several sites on the network that have been, suffice to say, inproperly programmed. They have contacted the owners of these sites and are actively monitoring the situation. I would say that should the server go down again and it is proven that these scripts are the culprit that GS Tech. will forcibly terminate them. ------------------ Dan; Apolyton CS

Now Dan this explanation is still a little fishy...sorta like when electricians try to blame the pump malfunction on the mechanics. Ya gotta push these guys or they will wiggle out without adequately addressing the problem!

I would push for a deeper explanation. We didn't have a problem before, but now we do...therfore: what changed?

Did several independent sites shift to new faulty programming...that sounds unlikely! Did several sites shift to vB and is that the problem? (insert suspicious smilie...side note: Stefu invent one and MarkG apporve it!) Did we go onto a new server and that is the issue? Does one guy control (program) all the misbehaving sites? What about the ads? Or the ISP you guys use? Any big changes there, recently.


I suspect the tech guys are blaming it on the hosted sites and then each time the thing goes down they blame another site. They need to figure out what makes the server go down and then check all hosted scripts...if this is REALLY the problem...

Not meaning to gripe or flame excessively...but troubleshooting can be difficult and technicians can have some mental blocks and avoidance behavior* which prevents them from really taking the bull by the horns and fixing the problem.

*This has been observed and even written about in operations literature.

	01-07-2001 03:33									#13
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quote: Originally posted by DanQ Monday is a statutory holiday in Canada and Tech. thus won't most likely be able to correct it until Tuesday morning. -------------------- Dan; Apolyton CS

Second Monday in a row; I'm in Québec. I love the "Fête Nationale"!

	02-07-2001 05:47									#14
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Until I have reason to believe otherwise, GP, I'm going to go with GS Tech's explanation and resolution plan of the problem.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	02-07-2001 07:37									#15
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OK, Dan. I hope you have a plan for what to say to them if the problem repeats....

Like that smile use!?

	02-07-2001 08:15									#16
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GP,

An improperly written program - one with bugs - doesn't have to crash consistently. Depending on the bugs it could work for years without a problem.

	02-07-2001 08:27									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger GP, An improperly written program - one with bugs - doesn't have to crash consistently. Depending on the bugs it could work for years without a problem.

Agreed. That is why I'm advocating a more diligent search for the true root cause.

	02-07-2001 08:35									#18
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Actually, GP, if the similar circumstances arise in the future it is GS Tech. that will have to come up with a plan on what to relay, not me personally...

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	02-07-2001 11:38									#19
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Hehe...luckily I was @ work

	02-07-2001 16:15									#20
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Never noticed fortunately. I was far too busy this weekend to be on Apolyton. I had Mr Lindley visiting you see

	03-07-2001 00:15									#21
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I definately noticed.

	03-07-2001 02:07									#22
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Well... at least it wasn't as bad as the one that reset PH's post count and destroyed several user accounts.

	03-07-2001 02:51									#23
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was damn inconvenient, had myself all setup to post some realay intereting threads and then *SMASH* no apolyton at all...