03-07-2001 19:12									#1
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and I am looking for the Fairey Albatross and Fulmar. If anyone could tell me where to find pictures of these, I'd really appreciate it. BTW here's a screenshot of my scenario! See if yu can guess what it is of (though you probably can ). And concerning that: how do I put my cities, terrain1, terrain2, and units into bitmap? I put it through Paint and I lose color variety for the units and for terrain1 the "triangle effect" showed up in the game with the terrain squares. Is there anyway to fix this with Paint?

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	03-07-2001 23:47									#2
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is the shot a depiction of the HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse getting attacked by Japanese "Nell" land-based bombers after attempting to intercept a Japanese landing further up the Malayan penninsula?

IIRC, if you have FW/MGE, and then use the terrain editor to alter even a single terrain type, the result is a bmp in the scenario folder labeled, "Terrain1" (or 2, whichever one you change.)

Salutations,
Exile

	04-07-2001 00:03									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Exile is the shot a depiction of the HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse getting attacked by Japanese "Nell" land-based bombers after attempting to intercept a Japanese landing further up the Malayan penninsula?

Yup

quote: Originally posted by Exile IIRC, if you have FW/MGE, and then use the terrain editor to alter even a single terrain type, the result is a bmp in the scenario folder labeled, "Terrain1" (or 2, whichever one you change.)

And Yup.



FMK

	04-07-2001 00:16									#4
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Hmmmm....

I had no problem with the Fairey Fulmar, but I can't even find the Albatross. Are you sure you don't mean the Albacore?

If not, I can keep looking...

FMK.

	04-07-2001 00:30									#5
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Yeah man, here is a good list of British WWII aircraft, and I don't see any Albatross. There is a Grumann Albatross that I've passed by on other sites. It is a seaplane, so maybe that's what you mean, but it is for the US, so prolly not? Let me know if you need more...

FMK.

	04-07-2001 03:41									#6
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BTW it is the Prince of Wales and Repulse. Exile: I'll try the thing with the terrain. FMK: it is the albacore I'm looking fo; I got itmixewd up with a four-engined flying boat called the Albatross. Thanks. Now the units....and cities.....or does it work the same way?

	04-07-2001 04:00									#7
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I just tried the putting terrain into bitmap, but the game editor won't let me save it in anything other than GIF! Any other suggestions? Am I doing something wrong?

	04-07-2001 04:01									#8
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Looking nice ANZAC. But in the final version don't forget to include to destroyers which accompnied the Prince of Wales & Repulse. Interestingly, despite their generally appaling attitute to prisoners, the Japanese deliberatly spared the destroyers so they could pick up survivors from the two battleships (which is more then then Australian and American pilots did in similar circumstances)

Re, the losing detail, I used to get this on my old computer when windows display details differed from those used on the various gif's and bmp's I downloaded. Basically, paint wasn't able to display all the colours, and chose the 'next best' (eg purple for dark blue).

	04-07-2001 05:42									#9
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I own MGE, and whenever I use an editor to change a unit, terrain, icon, or improvement, it always produces a bmp file in the scenario's folder. In the specific scenario's folder, not the Scenario folder that holds all the MGE and FW scenarios. The gif is still there, and if it's necessary to start over for some reason, deleting the created bmp and going from scratch with the original gif is always an option. Which version of civ2 are you using?

Curiously,
Exile

	04-07-2001 23:27									#10
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Case: I know I forgot the destroyer escorting them, but I just took a minute last night to post it so the crowds don't get restless about when the scenario will be ready. In fact they might be after me right now.....

Exile: I have both FW and MGE, but I'm making the scenario on FW so everyone can play it. I'll try on MGE the bitmap thing and let you know how it goes.

	05-07-2001 20:52									#11
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I'll convert your stuff to .bmp's if you convert my stuff to .gif's (none of my programs will make those for me).


Give it a shot with MGE though, as I have noticed it will make the auto-bmp's for me.

FMK.

	05-07-2001 22:50									#12
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I figured out how to save (the disc button I thought was for saving, instead of importing) and now I have all that I need...except for the units.bmp which still is giving me color trouble.

FMK: I'll take you up on your offer for the units.bmp, and I'm pretty sure I can do GIFs. As a matter of fact, if you have paint and a reliable GIF file (like from another scenario) you can paste into it and do save as and you get a high-quality GIF. Thanks FMK, I'll send you the Units when I've finalized them.

	07-07-2001 23:12									#13
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So I still need somebody to convert the BMP for me. Maybe Case or Darthveda? I've seen your bitmaps and their color quality is high yet they are only 256 color MAybe you could take a look at my Units.bmp?

	08-07-2001 03:59									#14
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I'm no expert on pictures in Civ2, but send the file over & I'll have a try.

	16-07-2001 22:51									#15
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What does you guys' pc use to read gifs with? Mine reads them with IE rather than MSpaint. I am looking fo rthe place on my computer to set up what type of program to use when opening certain files.
When I copy something from a .bmp, and then open a .gif and attempt to paste the image in, the paste(ctrl-V) is disabled. I cannot work with .gifs for some reason. I can open them, and save them as .gifs only when they are .gifs to begin with. This means that I can't alter .gifs on my own, and I have to send out all of my stuff to be converted. What a pain in the arse!


I want .gif capability!

	16-07-2001 23:51									#16
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I've seen those bombers before...

	17-07-2001 00:00									#17
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quote: I am looking fo rthe place on my computer to set up what type of program to use when opening certain files.

Open any folder, go to the View menu and click the Folder Options... (or something of the sort, it´s the last option). Go to the Filetypes tab (again, this may have a slightly different name, as I´m just translating from my Dutch Win98). There you´ll see a list of filetypes and you can say what programs you want to open files with.

Or you can just open MS Paint and drag the image onto it/open it using the menus.

	17-07-2001 03:07									#18
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Pehaps you'll be able to use this information as well...



Okay, I followed the above instructions. Here are the results...

I can save .bmp's to .gif's now in Paint, but with severe color degridation.
I get a warning window that states "Saving this format may cause loss in color information. Do you want to continue?

I cannot open .gif's anymore at all... It trys to do it with MS Paint, but then says "C:\My.bmp was not found"

	17-07-2001 07:34									#19
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quote: I've seen those bombers before...

I was going to get to that I wanted to know if I can use them in this scenario, ABDA Squadron ? I meant ask and I wouldn't release these units in it without your permission (though you did also post these as a preview on the Apolyton mainpage! ) But the final word is yours....

FMK: Still have that problem I see. Can you open existing GIFs of Civ2 units? Because if you can then you can fix your problem. Open an existing units.gif and then paste whatever you want there and save it as a GIF again and you should have no color loss. Does this work/make sense? Good luck!

	17-07-2001 22:04									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh I can save .bmp's to .gif's now in Paint, but with severe color degridation.

Do the bitmaps already have the Civ2 palette? Paint probably uses the standard Windows palette instead. Besides, those GIF probably can´t be read by Civ2. I think the only way Paint can save the correct GIF format and palette is like The ANZAC said.

quote: I get a warning window that states "Saving this format may cause loss in color information. Do you want to continue?

That means your bitmaps are true color bitmaps, without a 256 color palette. As I stated above, this causes Paint to use the standard Windows palette instead of the Civ2 palette you´d want, causing the quality loss.

quote: I cannot open .gif's anymore at all... It trys to do it with MS Paint, but then says "C:\My.bmp was not found"

Those files are the ones located in "C:\My Documents\..." right? The spaces in the file/directory names aren´t handled correctly. To solve it, add "%1" (including the what´s their name again... gänsenfüsschen as my Latin teacher used to say, if you catch my drift... quotation marks, of course) to the end of that line. And if the %1 was already there, add the double quotation marks around those.

quote: Update.... strangely I CAN read some gif's in certain folders with Paint... but others (the majority) give me that same ol' "C:\My.bmp was not found" message...

Those are folders/files without any spaces in them, as you might have deduced.

	17-07-2001 23:20									#21
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Here's what I got...


Mercator: You are right about the My Documents thing...
All of my scenarios I put into a folder called "SCENARIOS" within "My Documents". However, I have always had the folder "My Documents" named simply "Documents". BUT, when I start to explore my way through the folder I see the space that you are talking about...
For some reason the path reads : C:\My Documents\SCENARIOS\... even though the folder is actually just named 'Documents" as it appears on my desktop.

SO, I tried this... I copied and pasted an entire .gif file from RedFront onto my desktop. It originally was in the "C:\My Documents\SCENARIOS\... " address. Now that the file is not withtin the old folder, I can open it without issue.

So then I tried opening up a units.gif from RedFront (using the same 'take-it-to-the-desktop' technique... it opened fine, and I pasted a whole new set of units in there, and was able to save it as a .gif WITHOUT any color loss!!!! So when I start with the correct Civ2 pallete it will incorporate the new artwork correctly.

So now I don't know how to solve this destination issue... There shouldn't be a space for this "My_Documents" because I renamed "My_Documents" to "Documents" a long time ago. Even when I manually remove the space between My and Documents it don't work. I suppose the quick fix would be to permanently move my 'SCENARIOS' folder to the desktop. I guess that isn't too bad. I got a little confused by your post Mercator...the stuff about the 1% etc... but i guess thats okay, cause I can simply move my folders around... If you see a quick way to fix this, that would be cool, but if not, I guess I'm doin' okay.

Thanks alot fellas,
FMK.

	18-07-2001 19:58									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh However, I have always had the folder "My Documents" named simply "Documents".

That´s just the name of the shortcut, not the name of the actual folder.

quote: Even when I manually remove the space between My and Documents it don't work.

I´d leave that alone, if I were you.

quote: I got a little confused by your post Mercator...the stuff about the 1% etc... but i guess thats okay, cause I can simply move my folders around... If you see a quick way to fix this, that would be cool, but if not, I guess I'm doin' okay.

What exactly did you do to make Paint the standard program to open GIF´s? I figure you used the edit button to edit the open action, and changed the IE stuff in there to Paint.
An easier way of doing what I was trying to explain is as follows:

• Go to those filetypes again.
  
• Go to edit for the open action for bitmaps (You don´t have the space-problem with bitmaps, right?
  
• Copy the things you see there, that is the command used to execute the opening. (I think it looks like this

  "C:\PROGRA~1\ACCESS~1\MSPAINT.EXE" "%1"

  
  
• Paste this into the opening options for GIF´s.
  

	18-07-2001 21:19									#23
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Thats it! Got it. Sweet.

Thank you very much Mercator for your patience. I am not too good with these things, but I finally got it. All file types can now be opened and saved. I can work with Civ files, but I must start with a proper Civ pallete first. Excellent!

I was so dissapointed when I could work with gifs because I looked at them with IE. I am very happy to have these newfound abilities!

Thanks again,

FMK.

	19-07-2001 07:38									#24
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I hate to do this to ya' Anzac, but I have to pirate your thread for a minute too.

Darthveda, when I go to your site I can't download the Korean War scenario. How come?

	19-07-2001 18:11									#25
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No problem Jimmywax, I still need Darth Veda to answer one question too: Can I use some of your planes?

	26-07-2001 08:37									#26
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What's the verdict on the planes? Don't leave me hanging, I don't do well with cliff hangers.

	26-07-2001 09:33									#27
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ANZAC, a while ago I asked Darthveda the same question about the ships in 'Battle of the Atlantic'/Hunters and the Hunted'/The 'Cruel Sea' and never got any responce. I took this silence to mean he had no problem with me using them before he did

	26-07-2001 21:17									#28
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Case: you really need to shorten your title for the scenario

Darth: Speak now or forever hold your peace..... mwahahahaha!

	27-07-2001 06:35									#29
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC Case: you really need to shorten your title for the scenario

Yeah

I thik that I'll go with 'The Cruel Sea' because:
a) It sounds cool
b) There's a movie of that same name about corvettes in WW2
c) There's a rather good Aussie band of the same name

	23-08-2001 00:08									#30
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I was just wondering how it was going Anzac.

And I see that Darthveda still hasn't replied to either of our questions.