04-07-2001 15:10									#1
	civ3 Get a bigger avatar today!

In some months will appear civ3 but I amnot sure that civ2 become obsolete because the best feature of the game is the scenario creation (for me of course) but I have seen the screenshots of civ3 and looks very difficult to change these graphics to do new ones, so I think this version could be not so important as everybody say and we will still play civ2.
What do you think?

	04-07-2001 21:39									#2
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Yes, I have similar concerns over Civ3... To get started, if you can't make use of more civs than in Civ2 scns, there certainly won't be a quality leap forward in Civ3.

Right now, Civ2 lack the ability to realistically depict complex historical situations, and that's we like to do, isn't it? Having animations won't help much. I think that the people on this forum won't like Civ3 scns better than the good old Civ ones.

	05-07-2001 00:21									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I will use Civ2 for several months after Civ 3 has been released, simply becouse I ave to wait for it to be ported for the Mac.
So when i buy it I will probably know pretty much what I will be getting, since I guess there will be a lot of fuzz about it over here at Apolyton
Whatever the general conclusion will be I will buy it.
I do think that perhaps there wont be so many improvements to it, it will be better than Civ 2 in many areas, also for scenario designing, Civ 2 wasn't built to be tweaked for special scenarios, there was just an included ability to change stuff, if you edited the text files, there was a cheat menu made for scenario designing, but it was never intended that you should change the game files or have "events".
Those things came in later, which is why there are tons of stuff that either:

• Doesn't work as they are supposed to
  
• Is hardcoded
  
• Is never explained and is illogicaly placed in menus and such
  
• Must still be changed in the original game files

The new game will be built whit the scenario design thing in mind, a lot of things that where impossible or very hard to change in the original game will be quite easy to change in Civ 3 (for example the leaders faces...).
Plus the beloved change of support cost from shields to gold and a lot of simmilar changes to game play which will make the game in general and certainly also scenarios a lot more realistic (In your case Jesús think of how big an improvement only the new gold support would be for your thirty years war scenario! Finnaly nations will lose money due to their large armies!).
Not to mention the ability to use leaders (whit names) to form stacks (or armies that they call them).

Civ III will be a big improvement, perhaps not as big as it could be (they could do lots of more stuff) but still a very big improvement for scenario designers (and players in general).
And animated units are not a must, you can use non animated units in scenarios (as Firaxis keep pointing out).

I do think that people will still play Civ 2, but eventually as whit Civ 1 the new game will take over the large masses (if there isn't some huge bug(s?) in the game that will render it unplayable in which case civ3 probably will be treated as "another" CTP).


Somehow I ended up defending Civ 3 here...
Strange...
Well all that I wrote is true annyway

Last edited by Henrik on 05-07-2001 at 00:28

	09-07-2001 05:30									#4
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Voy a constestar en español xq este es un foro en español (im going to answer in spanish coz this is a spanish forum).

Lo de que las unidades van a ser dificiles de modificar, es mentira. Podes hacer unidades animadas con el 3dstudio max o tamien estaticas como en el civ 2. CIVIII va a ser mucho mas customizable, ya que adquirieron experiencia en estas cosas con el civ2.

	09-07-2001 10:35									#5
	Deja Vu Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Well, it seems as if I've said this somewhere before, but I'll take the risk of repeating it here.

I loved the Master of Orion space empire game. Enjoyed it immensely. Then I had the opportunity to play MOO II at a friend's house. I played it, but it simply wasn't an imrovement over the original. Better graphics may be flashy, but they don't necessarily make a good game. I never purchased MOO II and I really don't like to play it.

Unfortuneately, it looks like civ3 is going to have a similar outcome. Hope I'm wrong, but . . .

Exile

	09-07-2001 23:24									#6
	Re: Deja Vu Inflate your Upload Space

Hombre pero yo creo que hacer ese tipo de unidades sera mas dificil que las de toda la vida, los programas de retoque fotografico son muy sencillotes pero los otros a mi me parecen que seran lago mas complicaos ademas si unos hacen unidades animadas y otros no, los escenarios con unidades estaticas quedaran algo cutrecillas, ademas realmente del civ2 se puedee cambiar casi completamente todo y algunos bugs o fallitos son utiles.

quote: Voy a constestar en español xq este es un foro en español

Bueno esto lo hablamos al principio de que se creara el forum y llegamos al "acuerdo" de que en este foro se habla en los dos idiomas, no es solo un foro unico para hispano hablantes y siempre que en el thread puedan leerlo gente de otros idiomas habalmos en ingles. Es decir, si el thread abierto habal gente que no sabe castellano todos habalmos ingles, y si solo es en castellano, castellano, epro no mezclamos los dos idiomas.
(joder que rollo te acabo de soltar )

	10-07-2001 00:41									#7
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Ok, if that are the rules, ill have to stick to ´em.

An now, as i saw a new smilie, ill use it:

WE WANT CIV3 NOW!

	11-07-2001 02:29									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I just want them to improve the concepts of the game not the graphics.

	11-07-2001 22:14									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Waku I just want them to improve the concepts of the game not the graphics.

...and a better AI, if possible... . Parole sante, Waku!

	13-07-2001 01:31									#10
	Full PM-box? Change here!

actually I KNOW that civ3 is not going to have great improvements over civ2

do you remember the original civ2, there were any big diferences with civ1??

I didn´t buy civ2 at the beginning becuase it was EXACTLY the same as civ1,
I´m not talking about MGE, I´m talking about the original civ2

so I think that civ3 is going to have a few differences with civ2, and then afterwards, new packs and updates will be coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!

	13-07-2001 01:43									#11
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Prometeus Parole sante, Waku!

Grazie tante. Siamo d'acordo.