21-09-2000 09:55									#1
	More generous allies Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

So I'm getting the hang of the alliance thing and asking for gifts, and for the first time have 3 alliances going (never able to do better than 2 before). But what I'm noticing (over many games) is that some AI civs are more generous than others when they give. The French give large amounts (as large as 150), the Aztecs are stingy (25 is common), and the Americans are in-between. Anyone else seen this? Is it related to one of the AI civ settings in rules.txt? Might be worth doing more research, if you can choose which of 2 warring civs to ally with, better to go for the more generous one if other factors are equal.

	21-09-2000 01:28									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Most of the time the tribute is determined by how much money they have. The more the civ creates, the more it can give you. From there it is a percentage. The more desperate, i.e. you refuse money, they will double the percentage all the way up to 100%. I have seen exceptions, but this is the general rule.

RAH

	21-09-2000 04:06									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

It's also fun - and profitable - suing for peace. If an AI is particularly vulnerable, they offer peace and you refuse, they can offer increasing sums in order to buy peace with you.

------------------
finbar
Mono Rules!
#33984591

	21-09-2000 04:14									#4
	Inflate your Upload Space

So true... So true...

I have found it far more "profitable" by not having allies. You seem to get far more money by just refusing peace or cease fires... I will never agree to a peace after accepting money for a cease fire on the same turn. I just wait a few turns until they get some more money, and contact them then. They will then beg for peace, you can refuse, and get more money.

After that, do everything you can do to piss them off and declare war on you. Then repeat process.

	21-09-2000 04:38									#5
	Increase Your PM Length

Tribute/ suing for peace is something different than what I'm asking. I'm specifically interested in gifts from allies because that's what I'm dealing with in OCC games. The size of the gift doesn't seem to depend on how much the ally has, most recently the French gave me 150 when they only had about 300, the English gave 25 when they had over 1000. Maybe going thru all the OCC logs to see who gave how much would reveal a pattern, but that would take more time than I have right now.
[This message has been edited by Dino the Dinosore (edited September 20, 2000).]