11-07-2001 19:51									#1
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http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest/php3/...le.php3?id=2225

	11-07-2001 19:59									#2
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If you look at this screenshot, you can see that the sum of the culture points from the cities is a mere 6039, while the advisor claims that the total culture value of your civ is 6608. There appears to be room for at least one more city on the screen, so I don't think that there's another page of cities contributing the missing 569 culture points. Does this mean that the countryside might actually contribute to your culture?

	11-07-2001 20:07									#3
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Wine is in, as are elephants (from here)

Solar System? Maybe a Wonder or a Minor Wonder?
http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest//newn...6-16-2225.pjpeg

	11-07-2001 20:10									#4
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hm, might be copernicus solar system theory
anyway, how does one download the videos, it says 'server returned extended information' and i am arsed (if i try to save) if i just click, no page opens

	11-07-2001 20:13									#5
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Keep trying. I think we're overloading their servers.

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heh, while yin's asleep

	11-07-2001 20:20									#7
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Of Solar System, I'm guessing a minor wonder. Grand Cathedral and Trading Company would also be, I guess, minor wonders. Let's hope that they have bit better names than that, tho.

There's also a minor/major (I'm not sure) wonder, Forbidden Palace. Munich is building it in one screenshot.

Iroquis would seem to be in as a civ, BTW.

And I really don't want to know what was in the mind of animator who designed this rocket.

	11-07-2001 20:34									#8
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What about "Forbidden City"? is that a Major Wonder?

	11-07-2001 20:36									#9
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Wait, is there any confirmation about major/minor thing except on civfanatics.com ? I do not remember seeing it in any interviews/previews (well, some and then it kinda disappeared).

	11-07-2001 20:45									#10
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Wine is in, as are elephants (from here) Solar System? Maybe a Wonder or a Minor Wonder? http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest//newn...6-16-2225.pjpeg

and so are two types of fish...whale and some kind of a coastal one...on the same picture....

	11-07-2001 21:04									#11
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So the Iroquois are now definitely confirmed then!

I can also see cattle as a special resource on the screenshots.

Yeah, something about art as well on the culture screen thing. From what I can tell, this must be the equivalent of the civ/civ2 concept of luxuries. In civ3, luxuries are tradeable commodities.

Steam power appears to be an advance...

Musketmen appears to be the name of a unit, obviously the non-special unit equivalent of the French musketeers.

The Forbidden Palace seems to be some sort of wonder.

Below Munich there is some sort of pot, must be denoting a special resource. Clay or porcelain or something? On this screenshot.

A trading company is being built by the French. As well as a solar system. Sounds quite a large construction task

As well as some of these luxuries, the already spotted whale, fish and wheat were present, along with gold, iron, coal, diamonds, gems, etc. Yeah, I noticed a gems resource (multicoloured) as opposed to diamonds (similar but just white). Intriguing.

	11-07-2001 21:04									#12
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I hate those mountains...

	11-07-2001 21:06									#13
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LaRusso: It was in the second-ever thorough preview, that in PC Gameplay magazine, later reproduced on the Gamespot UK website. Look for the obviously faked interview, which is just the sum of all the fact boxes in the original magazine preview. This preview was the first to contain most of the unique info that we know about the game, and it's still the only one to mention nukes, barbarians, wonders, etc.

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I also hope that they will change the "u" in the font to something that looks less similar to "v".

And that the advisor will give more complicated advices, and not "Make more culture!".

	11-07-2001 21:16									#15
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I wonder what the anchor sign above a city means. Maybe something connected with naval trade?

	11-07-2001 21:19									#16
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i guess it must be shipyards....or sea fortress...in any case, the gameplay effect is relatively predictable (repairing ships, producing veteran vessels)

	11-07-2001 22:14									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Eli I hate those mountains...

I can live with the mountains. It is the irrigation-improvement that bugs me - it looks awfull. More regular & thin canals, and slightly different crop-colour depending on underlying terrain-type is the answer.

I like the crisp-sharp advisor-screen graphics.

More emphasize should be put into coastal city-area placements, then working inwards. This is the best way to exploit the available landarea.

	12-07-2001 00:39									#18
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There's a typo in one of the screenshots. The diplomatic advisor says "Our forces outnumber the Iroquoiss." The mountains are a little steep and the square division lines should go BEHIND them, but I can live with it.


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	12-07-2001 00:58									#19
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http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest//newn...2-22-2225.pjpeg

theres a GREEN city on the mid right.

the name is fuzzed in to the grass.

GOOD COLOR CHOOSING FIRAXIS.

musta been what they spent all their time on.


i think it saiys milietos. any guess what civ that is?

edit:

OH, there also appears to be irration not connected to a river or a shoreline, around the greebn city.

hills a source of water?

or AI CHEATING like in civ 2.

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	12-07-2001 01:06									#20
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http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest//newn...5-25-2225.pjpeg

what the hell is that while cilinder / podium thing under Munich and berlin?

new terrain improvement?

	12-07-2001 01:10									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Eli I wonder what the anchor sign above a city means. Maybe something connected with naval trade?

I think it is a Harbor, as they are important for the Resource system.

	12-07-2001 01:12									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase What about "Forbidden City"? is that a Major Wonder?

forbidden palace my friend.

sorry if i sound snotty. i was looking for forbidden city for a while.

	12-07-2001 01:58									#23
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Is it just me, or do the roads and rivers running through the mountains look terrible? The mountains look 3-D, but the roads look like they're hovering over the mountains and the rivers look worse.

I hope these graphics aren't finalized.

Joe.

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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest//newn...2-22-2225.pjpeg theres a GREEN city on the mid right. the name is fuzzed in to the grass. GOOD COLOR CHOOSING FIRAXIS. musta been what they spent all their time on. i think it saiys milietos. any guess what civ that is? edit: OH, there also appears to be irration not connected to a river or a shoreline, around the greebn city. hills a source of water? or AI CHEATING like in civ 2.

It says Miletos which means that civ is Greece.

Apparently, irrigation works in squares diagonal to water or other irrigation.

	12-07-2001 02:40									#25
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest//newn...5-25-2225.pjpeg what the hell is that while cilinder / podium thing under Munich and berlin? new terrain improvement?

A trash can?

	12-07-2001 00:20									#26
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When i first saw that dustbin like white cylinder under Munich, I thought it was a metal milk canister.. like the ones used to transport milk from cattle farms, maybe its a dairy cattle region.

Maybe this means you can make lovely cheese there.. one of my favourite foods, if they don't have cheese i'm not buying this game LOL

I am pleased to see a Grand Cathedral build too.. its nice you can have Minor wonders like this ( i presume this is a special minor) .. for extra big cathedrals like Notre Dame in france(?)
I've wanted something that lets you build the biggest of something, like the biggest cruiseliner.. the Titanic etc to show intercountry competition in industry.
The Dreadnought arms race is another example before ww1, but I guess buildings are a different issue from this, slightly.

while we're on wonders, PLEASE let us edit wonders properly, better than before, so we can use them well in scenarios.
I've just had problems in my scenario with TOT where wonders go into the wrong era settings .. its also silly you can build wonders in any old backwater or mountain, you should only be able to build things like the Hoover Dam near a river for example.


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	12-07-2001 01:31									#27
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Screenshots look great Firaxis, can't wait to play it

Everything looks great, love the roads especialy, main ones and minor ones, makes it look like more of a country. Love the design of the cities, and the pink colour for French - love that haha.

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The only rant I can find is that the roads and rivers still overlap the mountains, I'd prefer the river never to go over a mountain, they must go around the mountain, if you must, make a mountain that has a small river coming out of it (I've seen a screenshot with that). Having a river go over a mountain is very ugly, I think everyone would prefer to have no rivers on mountains than to have a river go over it like that.

Same goes for roads too, it looks silly and wrong.

	12-07-2001 01:40									#28
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What player do you have to have to play the videos?

	12-07-2001 02:27									#29
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quote: heh, while yin's asleep

Time's up! LOL! I just have to laugh. It seems me and ContradictioN never see eye-to-eye. But that's fine. It would be so boring to always agree, right?

I HATE THOSE ROADS. In fact, the entire graphic situation to this point, not to mention the horrid font and awful/simplistic grammar tells me that this STILL must be an alpha build. Dear Lord...

	12-07-2001 02:32									#30
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pollution? trash can?

did they make 2 kinds of pollution now? smog / indust?

i find it odd theyre both one square UNDER a city.