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Barington
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London UK
Aug 2000
time: 05:12
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RE: Family Favourites
Yes remember it all only too clearly; (Whatever happened to "Munchen Gladbook") it was on the Light Programme and I think it was followed by the Dreaded Billy Cotten Bandshow or perhaps it was the Clitheroe Kid. This was all before the entertainment tech was discovered of course.
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Barington
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London UK
Aug 2000
time: 05:12
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"Take it from Here" (Ron and Ef) the Navy Lark Ah; I could go on (and frequently do)- But do you remember "Journey into Space" (Mitch and Lemmy) They never reached AC as I recall but considering the graphic display was a light bulb behind a celluloid dial it was pretty gripping stuff.
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Barington
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London UK
Aug 2000
time: 05:12
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Just a Minute is still on! (in the UK) and I have some "bona" Round the Horne tapes. Will we get thrown off for not talking about Civilisation?
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Barington
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London UK
Aug 2000
time: 05:12
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No its not a misprint "Around the Horne" Was a reference to the star of the show the great Kenneth Horne.
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Barington
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London UK
Aug 2000
time: 05:12
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Sorry it should be "Round the Horne" the first series was called "Beyond our Ken" I am 53.75 years so memory not completely instant any more.
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debeest
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Umm... to return to the titular topic... if that's OK...
Confirmation comes from the manual itself for city-in-disorder and empty-city (but I think it just says they're "cheaper"). There's no documentation for city-formerly-yours, but I've seen it stated as if it were definitively true. I can vouch for spies bribing cheaper than diplomats and for veterans bribing cheaper than rookies, although I don't think it's mentioned in the manual, but I'm pretty sure it's not cheaper by any consistent amount or ratio such as .84 or .67; I've tracked it.
This is a good opportunity to point out again that THE SCROLLS OF WISDOM ARE WRONG. The formulas given there for calculating the cost of bribing a city and for the immediate bonus and ongoing trade bonus of a freight or caravan are WRONG. They just don't work. (The demographics info is also pretty lame, although I don't think it's actually wrong.) In fact, as someone pointed out recently, the bribe cost sometimes varies depending on which square the spy approaches from, and there's nothing in Scrolls of Wisdom about that. I haven't figured out how to track back to the Usenet citation from ?Robert Lancaster?, but I would love to ask him or someone knowledgeable where those formulae came from and why someone originally believed them to be accurate.
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debeest
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Right, finbar, there has to be a formula. But my experience (having asked the same city on the same turn how much it would cost to bribe it with different units) is that it's not a SIMPLE formula such as x=.84y. The difference in cost between diplomat/spy/veteran spy varies according to factors I can't identify.
One of the bribe cost factors, identified by others, is which square you visit from, and I've verified by the same sort of experimentation that it does vary. Sometimes. If the formulae in the Scrolls of Wisdom were fully correct, they'd have to acknowledge that. Since they don't, they weren't derived from any kind of cold hard scientific experimentation or from the source code. So, why would we believe them?
[Edited to correct typo in formula]
[This message has been edited by debeest (edited October 04, 2000).]
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