14-07-2001 17:17									#1
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just wondering why we still getting ideas posted here, surely it is too late for civ 3 now... is this forum just becoming some place for people to try and show how clever they are with all this REALISM they trying to bring to the game , wouldnt we better off waiting for the gaem now and then making a forum for how to fix it !!!

	14-07-2001 17:41									#2
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As I think, in all games there always room for some addon disc, it Firaxis makes such one about Civ3 it could be some of the ideas get's on it (as optional)...the chances might not be the best, but who knows

	14-07-2001 17:53									#3
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perhaps firaxis will put all these ideas onto a 2nd disc to be released in 6mths after civ 3 release and sell for another $50 ....

	14-07-2001 18:04									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin perhaps firaxis will put all these ideas onto a 2nd disc to be released in 6mths after civ 3 release and sell for another $50 ....

That's how they make money, they wouldn't make any money if they gave away the CD, and they also need to keep the game alive somehow

	14-07-2001 18:13									#5
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perhaps if they made the game right the first time it would encourage more to buy it rather than just pirate it

	14-07-2001 18:20									#6
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Post counts of course! No one from FIRAXIS will read my ideas anyway.

	14-07-2001 18:37									#7
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or any other ideas from now on till release dat ei would presume

	14-07-2001 20:01									#8
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IMHO

Minor ideas, like customisable options can be added at any time upto the final release. Things like toggle on or of huts, civ colour allocation, the graphics for a particular unit or terrain, can all be feasible adaptions/add-ons to the game.

Its core issues like trade systems, diplomacy etc that are not going to be changed.

	14-07-2001 21:20									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch IMHO Minor ideas, like customisable options can be added at any time upto the final release. Things like toggle on or of huts, civ colour allocation, the graphics for a particular unit or terrain, can all be feasible adaptions/add-ons to the game. Its core issues like trade systems, diplomacy etc that are not going to be changed.

The chances of those issues to be changed is pretty small, but there's a chance...damn small, but it's there...I don't know about you, but I think it's fun to talk about things that could have been in the game (if the idea came earlier)

	15-07-2001 03:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by ADG The chances of those issues to be changed is pretty small, but there's a chance...damn small, but it's there...I don't know about you, but I think it's fun to talk about things that could have been in the game (if the idea came earlier)

i dont know, seems more frustrating and likely to cause dissapointment to me to talk about such things.

	15-07-2001 04:25									#11
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I used to be real interested in most of these threads, but as the time flies by, I have come to accept the futility of it all. (that and the fact that about 80% of the ideas come from other games, so much for originality)

RAH

	15-07-2001 04:36									#12
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Should have added another option:

Game won't be released until next year, but it is still too late to to change the game.

That is my opinion on the matter.

	16-07-2001 20:34									#13
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Another choice should be: because I hope that any good idea will be used by any game designer around here, Firaxis or not.

Anything that, at the end, give me a strategic game I'd like to play, can't be bad

	16-07-2001 20:40									#14
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I'm bored at work, and haven't checked into the Civ3 forum in a few months.

	16-07-2001 20:42									#15
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But it's also nice to discuss how the game is going to be.
To see how other people look at the stuff released so far.

	16-07-2001 20:49									#16
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Yeah, I think what I have found it that people like to speculate on what is going on within the game from the scant evidence we have so far. We are veritable budding Sherlock Holmes's here

Sometimes it is interesting to speculate on 'what could have been' which may even be sometimes 'what may be'. We don't know, we are just trying to get an understanding of the game. And if people are thinking about the potential of civ4, then so be it...

	16-07-2001 21:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by tniem Game won't be released until next year, but it is still too late to to change the game.

That about sums up my opinion as well, probably why I don't find most of the Civ3 topics interesting anymore, it just feels too late to influence any of the game dynamics. Firaxis is probably already at feature-lock, working on debugging, and adding polish. I'm kinda put off by a lot of game concept discussions because I don't want to get my hopes up on great ideas and gameplay issues that won't be in the final release.

	16-07-2001 21:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by rah I used to be real interested in most of these threads, but as the time flies by, I have come to accept the futility of it all. (that and the fact that about 80% of the ideas come from other games, so much for originality) RAH

Rah, just because something is not original doesn't mean it can't be fun. Similarly, just because something is original does not automatically make it fun. This kind of ties in with the whole thing about sequels and features (on a thread a while back). Incorporating fun elements from other games can be a good idea.

	16-07-2001 23:32									#19
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I agree. But a lot of people have lauded the "all the original ideas" here and in other threads. I just wanted to point out that the amount of original thought is a tiny % of what has appeared here.

I too have posted things from other games that might help CIV III, but I have never claimed an idea original if it wasn't.

The release has dragged and dragged, which has drained a lot of my enthusiasm. Most of the regergitated threads here are just a reminder.

RAH

	17-07-2001 02:21									#20
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I can understand that. I visited the Team Fortress II website a few months ago...talk about regurgitated topics! I just let it alone for a while.

But it's like anything- too much of something is as bad as not enough. I only know one person who still uses "Whazzuuuup" anymore. That assaulted us for a long long time.

I would think that once we near the release, more info will be forthcoming

	17-07-2001 03:57									#21
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80% of the ideas come from other games, so much for originality

The phrase "There is nothing new under the sun" springs to mind.

Almost every idea is just a new incarnation of an old idea.

	18-07-2001 14:39									#22
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There are hardly any original ideas these days. There are so many people and they come up with all sorts of ideas. Also, you have ideas from the generations before. There's rarely anything that haven't been analysed.

Then there are many levels of "ideas." For example, Unit Workshop is one level. Unit Workshop with a particular mechanism is another level. Unit Workshop with a particular mechanism in Civ is yet another level. So while the first idea isn't original, the last one probably is

As to why we continue to make new suggestions here, maybe some of us like to have some of these ideas adopted by a game, be it Civ 3 or something else.