17-07-2001 15:57									#1
	ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy Fall 1841 Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

PRESS:

(none)


ORDERS:

ARGENTINA (Iain Lindley)

A Salta - hold (dislodged, may retreat to Formosa or OTB)


BOLIVIA (Berzerker)

A Salta > Anto (invalid, no proxy given, illegal move)
F BdArica > S Salta > Anto (invalid, no such order, illegal move)
F Lima > BdSechura (bounce 1v1 with Bahia de Sechura, 1v2 with Golfo de Panama)
F Truj > S Lima > BdSechura (support cut, dislodged, destroyed)
A Cus > Iquitos (bounce 2v2 with Popayan)
A Aquiris > S Cus > Iquitos
A Rib > S Aquiris
A SCruz > Pot
A Pant > MGrosso (bounce 2v2 with Maunaus,


BRAZIL (Hogfather)

A Chaco S A Tucuman > Salta
F Montevideo > Rio Grande do Sul
F Bahia de Sao Sebastao S F Montevideo > Rio Grande do Sul
F Buenos Aires > Montevideo
A Concepcion > Pantanal (bounce 1v1 with Pantanal)
A Goias S A Pantanal > Mato Grosso
A Corrientes - hold
A Asuncion - hold
A Parana - hold
A Pernambuco - hold


CHILE (Chazzy)

A-San Miguel>Salta
A-Cordoba>San Miguel
A-Rosario>Mendoza
F-Copiapo S F-Golfo de Guafo>Antofagasta
F-Golfo de Guafo>Antofagasta
F-Islas Juan Fern.>Golfo de Guafo
F-Golfo de San Jorge HOLD


COLOMBIA (Sahib)

A Piura S A Iquitos - Trujillo
F Bahia Sechura - Lima (bounce 1v1 with Lima)
F Golfo de Panama - Bahia Sechura (bounce with Bahia Sechura)
F Quito S F Golfo de Panama - Bahia Sechura
A Iquitos - Trujillo
A Popayan - Iquitos (bounce 2v2 with Cusco)
A Manaus - Mato Grosso (bounce 2v2 with Pantanal)
A Amazonas S A Popayan - Iquitos
F Maranhao S A Manaus - Mato Grosso
A Para S F Maranhao
F Boca de Navios - Bahia Sao Marcos
F Golfo de Darien - Golfo de Paria


PARAGUAY (Snowfire)

A Mis->RGdS (bounce 1v2 with Montevideo)


MAP:

http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/ADC51/F1841.GIF


GM COMMENTS:

Well, we say good bye to two more players. Argentina and Paraguay have been eliminated. Thanks to SnowFire and Iain for playing out these positions to the bitter end. I'll take care of your disband orders just to avoid the hassle for you guys.

There is only one Fall 1841 retreat necessary, and I have auto retreated Argentina's A Salta to Formosa as it's only choice. It's rather a technicality at this point anyway. Winter 1841 orders will be due Friday, July 20, 23:59 EST. Spring 1842 orders will be due Thursday, July 26, 23:59 EST.

As always, please check for accuracy.


ADJUSTMENTS DUE:

ARGENTINA - Disband 1 (EOG)
BOLIVIA - Disband 1
BRAZIL - No Change
CHILE - Build 2
COLOMBIA - Build 2
PARAGUAY - Disband 1 (EOG)


GM INFORMATION:

RUFFHAUS8
ICQ: 63418710
E-mail: RUFFHAUS8@aol.com


PLAYER INFORMATION:

ARGENTINA (Iain Lindley)
ICQ: 33689665
E-mail: iain@lindleys.f9.co.uk

BOLIVIA (Berzerker)
ICQ: 38356654
E-mail: berzerkr@cjnetworks.com

BRAZIL (Hogfather)
ICQ: 102139615
E-mail: m_carreras@hotmail.com

CHILE (Chazzy)
ICQ: 116124479
E-mail: chazzy@execpc.com

COLOMBIA (Sahib)
ICQ: 43251116
E-mail: sa.hi@mailcity.com

PARAGUAY (Snowfire)
ICQ: 35476699
E-mail: peter.ingraham@oberlin.edu

PERU (Gerwald)
ICQ: 63688157
E-mail: CaladbolgFT@aol.com

VENEZEULA (Defiant)
ICQ: 46172786
E-mail: defiant@charter.net or seanc@herrschners.com


ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy, Game Standings/Supply Center Count - 1842 (Fall); 39 Supply Centers Total, Solo Victory Requires Ownership of 20 Supply Centers Legend: COUNTRY - Present Leader/Former Leader (number of centers held) * Home Supply Centers listed in CAPS.

COLOMBIA (14)
BOGATA, CALI, CARTEGENA,
Islas Galapagos, Maricaibo (V), Panama, Manuas (Br), Quito, Caracas (V), Angostura, Cumana, Iquitos, Maranhao, Trujillo (Pu)

BRAZIL (10)
SAO PAULO, SALVADOR, RIO DE JANEIRO
Parana, Montevideo, Asuncion (Pa), Concepcion (Pa), Buenos Aries (A), Corrienties, Rio Grande de Sul

CHILE (9)
SANTIAGO, VALPARISO
Patagonia, Punta Arenas, Islas Juan Fernandez, Islas Malvinas, Cordoba (A), Salta (Ch), Antofagasta (Bo)

BOLIVIA (6)
LA PAZ
Santa Cruz, Arica, Potosi, Lima (Pu), Arquiris Indigenous Territory

ARGENTINA (0) Eliminated 1841

PARAGUAY (0) Eliminated 1841

PERU (0) Eliminated 1840

VENEZUELA (0) Eliminated 1839

	17-07-2001 21:31									#2
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Paraguay EOG

Well, my goal was to outlive and see the end of the traitorous Argentinean state, so I got my wish, I suppose. If not outlive, live to see the end of.

When I first looked at the map, one of the most logical alliances I felt would be Argentina-Paraguay. Brazil gets held back, and Argentina has a mostly clean flank it only needs to devote one or two armies too and can hence deal with a Chilean stab or perhaps stab (Chile) themselves. I also decided that if Argentina does not ally with Paraguay I would be doomed, since Brazil really has no incentive to ally with Paraguay unless it’s playing an extremely northern strategy (which I suspect to be highly dangerous for the average Brazil).

In any case, Lindley stabbed, and I spent the rest of the game with my goals as surviving and trying to kill Argentina. My luck seemed a bit sour at first- I misguessed whether Argentina would attack Asuncion or Concepcion, and hence got no builds. Had I guessed correctly, Brazil would be in a good bit stronger position today, I suspect, and Argentina would have exited a bit faster. But after that little incident, my karma apologized for being so mean and I started correctly predicting moves again. I soon had one guerilla army walking around the equivalent of the Balkans in Vanilla- lots of SC’s everywhere to be grabbed in a shifting border territory. While dropping circa 1830 suitcase nukes on the non-SC lands, especially in Argentina. Anyway, my army went on tour, and it would have required a ton of armies to keep it corralled for sure, which the Hogfather didn’t have at the time. Frankly he probably could have just ignored me and simply let one army trail me around to retake anything I took, but he eventually stuck the 7 armies around Misiones to keep me out for good. No matter how well you predict moves, if there’s no place to go mathematically, it’s time to go out of business.

I had great fun this game, it was my most enjoyable tiny nation bid since Rocky Road Diplomacy. I think it’s more fun to play a small nation either early in the game or as a replacement later in the game, because then you aren’t moping around with your dreams of glory dashed- they were already dashed right from the start, and you’re playing just for enjoyment.

Last edited by SnowFire on 18-07-2001 at 06:13

	17-07-2001 22:34									#3
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Well, Snowie, I have to admit that you have been a real hindrance to the Brazilian War Effort...

Your rogue army touring the south was a big pain, and I realised that I just HAD to eliminate it before it got bothersome again... but, my congratulations, Paraguay looked like she'd be out in the first year and she lived to see three other nations exterminated.

	21-07-2001 18:10									#4
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I'm missing one set of winter adjustments. Please get them in before midnight.

Last edited by RUFFHAUS 8 on 21-07-2001 at 18:21

	21-07-2001 21:53									#5
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ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy Winter 1841

PRESS:

(none)


ORDERS:

ARGENTINA (Iain Lindley)

Disband A Formosa


BOLIVIA (Berzerker)

Disband A Pantanal


BRAZIL (Hogfather)

No Change


CHILE (Chazzy)

Build A Santiago
Build F Valparaiso


COLOMBIA (Sahib)

Build A Bogota
Build A Cali


PARAGUAY (Snowfire)

Disband A Misiones


MAP:

http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/ADC51/F1841.GIF


GM COMMENTS:

Spring 1842 orders will be due Thursday, July 26, 23:59 EST.

As always, please check for accuracy.

	22-07-2001 01:52									#6
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Chaz, are you ever on ICQ?