18-07-2001 12:22									#1
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Hi everybody. Here’s the cheat that I’ve just discovered, or at least that I had never heard anybody talk about. It’s so bad I wonder if all the others have not had their tongue cut before they could speak. Or maybe it only works with my computer (W95/MGE).
Anyway, here it is. When you are in the middle of a turn, save the game, load another one, and load again the first one. You press end of turn, your cities produce and your still in the same year. And you can repeat the process. The only units that move are the one that have just been created during the turn; but population grows, science beakers deliver and income comes in the coffer. OCC size 1 on the polar cap in 4000 BC !!!!!!!
But it is a HUGE cheat ! Does anyone else knew of it, does it work for anyone else. It certainly doesn’t work for MP but in SP ...
Do I need to precise that I discovered it accidently and that I swear never to use it ?

	18-07-2001 13:09									#2
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Doesn't work for me.With wait at end of turn or not.

	18-07-2001 14:59									#3
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Nor for me - Win 98SE/MGE (Julius' NoLimits Patch) - so sad ...

	18-07-2001 17:08									#4
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How do I press 'end of turn'? Is it right next to the 'any' key?

And we believe you, Julius. You never use this, right guys?

	18-07-2001 17:51									#5
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KCBOB: Don't be an "English speaking" snob. Look at the place of origin under the name of the poster. If a guy is from Switzerland, you should understand that he speaks fluently, at a minimum, French and German. He also probably speaks Italian, so English is his 4th language!!! Anyway, you knew what he meant.

Plus I think this is the guy who developed the no-limits civ.exe file so show some respect...

Anyway, this cheat doesn't work for me either.

	18-07-2001 17:58									#6
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quote: Originally posted by fittstim KCBOB: Don't be an "English speaking" snob. Look at the place of origin under the name of the poster. If a guy is from Switzerland, you should understand that he speaks fluently, at a minimum, French and German. He also probably speaks Italian, so English is his 4th language!!! Anyway, you knew what he meant. Plus I think this is the guy who developed the no-limits civ.exe file so show some respect... Anyway, this cheat doesn't work for me either.

Fit, I'm not an "English speaking" snob. Julius and I go way back and I consider him a good friend on these boards. We've even played a game of chess on this forum (although he beat the tar out of me!). I'm well aware of his place of origin as that has affected the many "succession" games we've been involved in together.

I was serious asking about the "end of turn" option. I wasn't sure if that was something I've missed in the game. My "any key" comment was meant to be a humorous statement to draw away from any lack of communication skills that Julius or I might display. The
faces were meant to show that all was in good fun.

Let me finnish by saying, no offense was taken by your comments. After all, it's just a game, n'est-ce pas?

	18-07-2001 18:23									#7
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Oui c'est vrai...

No offense meant, just defense.

	18-07-2001 19:46									#8
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Now that we've got that all cleared up, I just re-read my last post and saw that I misspelled 'finish'.

BTW. What the heck is supposed to be graphically displaying??? Talk about .

	18-07-2001 20:54									#9
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quote: Originally posted by kcbob I was serious asking about the "end of turn" option. I wasn't sure if that was something I've missed in the game

Well, to get back on topic...yes, you have missed this in the game. It is a feature that stops the computer from blasting into the AI movement phase, and allows you to recheck production etc at the end of your turn. It is an option in the game menu I believe. I have left the feature on since I found it, very handy indeed.

FMK.

	18-07-2001 20:56									#10
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Thanks, FMK. Now that you mention it, I do remember something like that in some drop down menu. I'll have to go revisit those tonight.

	18-07-2001 21:33									#11
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Well, of course that it’s all in good fun ! And yes, Kcbob you are a good friend in this boards. And I am sorry if I make mistakes because I could avoid them if I am careful. It’s just that I write quite fast and don’t read again what I’ve written.
I’m surprised that it works for no one but me. Let me try to explain again with a concrete example this time. I play as Caesar and save the game in 3000 BC. I load another game, let’s say Cleopatra in 3500 BC. I play a few turns with Cleopatra and then load Caesar again. In the next turn I am still in 3000 BC ! As simple as that, at least for me. And totally useless, as far as I know.
Hmmm got an idea. Maybe it only worked because the AI had no city ! I started on a premade gigamap to try to maximize population, full of river and full of specials and each AI tribe started on a tiny island of ice and never build a city. It could be the explanation. Try that too ! Premade map is the only “cheat” I would authorize myself !

	18-07-2001 21:40									#12
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There is an end turn keyboard shortcut.It is command+N.It is only in MGE.It is a nasty little thing that allows missiles and aircraft unlimited moves and triremes never sink but at least mine doesn't allow what Julius is reporting.

And yes,it works in MP also(end turn shortcut)

	19-07-2001 05:51									#13
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I have noticed this cheat before, Julius, but I never bothered to fully exploit it.

	19-07-2001 14:41									#14
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Thanks Ostrander ! So I didn't dream and so my computer works fine ! What a relief !!! This is a tedious but powerful cheat, but what's the point of cheating anyway ?
It's just that I was surprised to discover it as it looked to me that all possible cheat had been invented and widely spread

	24-07-2001 02:01									#15
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Julius,

Before switching to 2.42 I also noticed this a few times with MGE on Windows '98, but could not explain why or how a game year was repeated, and concluded it was some sort of quirk or glitch in the game or the Microsoft operating system. I have not noticed this effect in 2.42 at all.

If used as a cheat, I think its power would be its own undoing. Careful study of the logs of any games where it was in use to any extent would reveal its effects.

	24-07-2001 04:26									#16
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OK, I was starting to wonder if this was just a MGE/ ctrl-N phenomenon. but now somebody says he's seen it in 2.42 as well. I'm going to go back and try it again, see if it can be duplicated.

Julius, some details:
is this just a repeat of the year for city production, or for unit movement also? do the other civs take their turn, and so the year just stays the same, all other things being equal? does it make a difference where you are in the turn for the other game you load?

We are hoping for a little research, since so darned few of us can duplicate it. we are starting to think this is apocryphal.

	24-07-2001 19:44									#17
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I've seen it happening too. Since I thought of it more as a
#@!~*-bug than as workable cheat, I never really looked into it. All that I recall is that:

-It only happened in a version prior to 2.78.
-You might need to load several games in a row. (As in 'now what did I name that last saved game last night !?')
-Some AI's get to move/build some stuff, others don't, although I really don't remember/knew who gets to build what and why.
-The human player doesn't get a full turn. The suggestion that you can only move units that you've just built could be correct.
-You don't need command-N.
-Lastly, it only seemed to happen with a huge, sprawling empire late in the game.