18-07-2001 19:38									#1
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Westlake Interactive announced that they are working on three Mac games for Infogrames' MacSoft division: Sid Meier's Civilization III, and Second Edition versions of Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy. Westlake hopes to keep the development of Civ III in sync with the PC version being developed by Firaxis, despite just barely starting work on the turn-based strategy game. We'll see if they can keep up with good old Sid.

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	18-07-2001 22:33									#2
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Are they making it for OS X?

Because from what I understand that is built with a Linux kernel and this could mean a Linux version of Civ III. I can always hope...

	18-07-2001 23:08									#3
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afaik, OSX is incredibly stable (hasn't crashed on me yet), you can run os9 programs on osx, so they should be porting it to osx.

fyi, I don't use a mac, I use pc of course

	19-07-2001 20:04									#4
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Thanks for the news, man! I'm one of the few with a mac around here.. really appreciate your report, given that you don't own one

	19-07-2001 23:15									#5
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np, I know how fustrating it is for MAC gamers.

	22-07-2001 01:44									#6
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It seems likely (hopeful?) to me that they develop Civ3 as a Carbon application. That way, both MacOS 9 and X users can play.

To clarify a few things: OS X is built off a BSD variant, not Linux. Also, the graphic interface of OS X isn't XWindows, but its own (much more advanced) system. And, a Carbon application is still, basically, an 'old' Macintosh application. So in summary: even if it was an OS X-only app, it still isn't even close to a Linux port.

I'm sure the Linux crowd will demanding a port, though, and Loki will get on it.

	31-08-2001 06:48									#7
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quote: Originally posted by JoeyLemur It seems likely (hopeful?) to me that they develop Civ3 as a Carbon application. That way, both MacOS 9 and X users can play. To clarify a few things: OS X is built off a BSD variant, not Linux. Also, the graphic interface of OS X isn't XWindows, but its own (much more advanced) system. And, a Carbon application is still, basically, an 'old' Macintosh application. So in summary: even if it was an OS X-only app, it still isn't even close to a Linux port. I'm sure the Linux crowd will demanding a port, though, and Loki will get on it.

Yeah, but a port from source code written for Free-BSD has GOT to be easier that a port form Windows! From what I understand, even when you start with C++, the Windows API makes life porting an app difficult.

I too am hoping for a "Cocca" port!

	31-08-2001 22:49									#8
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Out of curiosity, why is Contradiction in a "guest" status now? In any event, all this code talk is irrelevant. If it can't run on an iMac with 64 gigantic megabytes of RAM, Westlake is evil.

	09-09-2001 21:13									#9
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Muahahah it had better run WELL on my upgraded PowerComputing Powerbase! 112 mb RAM, upgraded G3 card. . . What else do I need???

Oh, and hopefully it'll run on OS 8.5 too. . .

	10-09-2001 06:57									#10
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try my imac 333 with 64 megs of ram running OS8.6. now that's a serious gaming machine. it's only outclassed by macuser's iMac DV with 300-something megs of RAM running an ungodly operating system.

I'm getting there.

	11-09-2001 10:13									#11
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If it is going to be liked against CarbonLib (likely if it will support both OS8/9 and OSX) it will probably require 8.6 or better. CarbonLib is more fully supported in 8.6 than it is in earlier 8.x OS'es.

OS 8.6 fixes a number of things from 8.5 and is a free upgrade. There's really no good reason not to update to it.

	30-09-2001 22:06									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Out of curiosity, why is Contradiction in a "guest" status now? In any event, all this code talk is irrelevant. If it can't run on an iMac with 64 gigantic megabytes of RAM, Westlake is evil.

indeed, and it should run on 8.6+

if my thread wasn't first or is irrevealant then i'd like a mod to delete it

	09-10-2001 03:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MacUser Yeah, but a port from source code written for Free-BSD has GOT to be easier that a port form Windows! From what I understand, even when you start with C++, the Windows API makes life porting an app difficult. I too am hoping for a "Cocca" port!

We have a Win32 API library written that we use in almost all of our ports, so it's pretty much a non-issue. SMAC was ported to the Mac this way. Aside from that, porting from FreeBSD code would mean that we'd be screwed for a MacOS 8/9 version since that code would have to be replaced.

Cocoa vs. Carbon is a non-issue in games since there's hardly any MacOS GUI involved. Performance between a Carbon game and a Cocoa game is identical.

Brad