19-07-2001 20:24									#1
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Hi there,

my question is, how can I load helicopter with troops? I create Helicopter and Paratroopers, but don't know how to load them in to the Chopper and attack a City, but the Computer seems to do this all the time. ( By the way, I'm talking about CIV2.)

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deathhimself

	19-07-2001 21:51									#2
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Woops - a slight misconception here.

Helicopters cannot carry anything (inclucing paras) they are a special unit that can move freely over all terrain (including ocean) and do not crash from lack of fuel - they very slowly degrade in total hipoints for every turn they spend outside a city or airbase. You cannot pop huts with them - they can attack anything - and be attacked by anything - very expensive unit to be blown away by a rifleman!

Paratroops are in all respects conventional ground troops - with one special attribute - if they are in a city and have not moved this turn they may 'paradrop' press the 'p' key and move your cursor around and you will find that any land square not occupied by opposing troops and within a 10 square range of their initial position shows a little 'parachute' icon - click and your paratrooper drops into that square - voila!

Enjoy your Combined Arms ...

	19-07-2001 22:34									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Helicopters ... do not crash from lack of fuel

That degradation might actually be seen as lack of fuel, considering how the unit description goes!

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Paratroops ... - if they are in a city and have not moved this turn

... could be clarified as not having expended any movement points. Case in point - a paratrooper can move along rail or be brought by ship, then jump from a city.

	20-07-2001 03:01									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Paratroops are in all respects conventional ground troops - with one special attribute - if they are in a city and have not moved this turn they may 'paradrop' press the 'p' key and move your cursor around and you will find that any land square not occupied by opposing troops and within a 10 square range of their initial position shows a little 'parachute' icon - click and your paratrooper drops into that square - voila! Enjoy your Combined Arms ...

I don't use it, (i don't build paratroopers), but thought it might be useful to clarify whether it is considered a cheat to use the paratroopers parachute/not allowed to parachute icon, to find enemy troops/cities.

	20-07-2001 15:09									#5
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I can totally sympathize with deathhimself. I tried for weeks to load paratroopers onto helicopters and planes without success.

The idea of launching a paratrooper from a city is kind of lame. I'm not sure if it's possible (probably but one never knows) but if you want to have troops riding around in helicopters, you can change the "# of holds on ship" for the helicopter/plane from 0 to maybe 4. And then take away the paradrop ability of the paratroopers. I guess you would have to be honest and only load "paratroopers" onto your planes but you could load, e.g. marines and riflemen on helicopters. I'll check this out later and see if it works...

	20-07-2001 19:15									#6
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Air units cannot carry other units. It's too bad, many scenario makers could put this to good use. Oddly, you can give the paradrop ability to other units, even ships. Imagine a cruiser dropping out of the sky, landing safely, and bombarding your inland city...

	20-07-2001 21:29									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq Air units cannot carry other units. It's too bad, many scenario makers could put this to good use. Oddly, you can give the paradrop ability to other units, even ships. Imagine a cruiser dropping out of the sky, landing safely, and bombarding your inland city...

What happens if you equip a transport with that ability and try to paradrop it when it's loaded

	20-07-2001 22:04									#8
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I don't know - it sounds like it's time to monkey with the rules.txt file tonight...

	20-07-2001 23:12									#9
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Today Moscow was succesfully invaded by the American fleet. No less then 7 battleships paratrooped in, a transportr carrying parratrooping tanks alo parrattrooped in. And it is reported that a stealth bomber is in the area with some additional tanks and battles ships in its cargo.

	20-07-2001 23:39									#10
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Was the stealth bomber paradropped into the city with the units as cargo or was someone finally able to figure out how to make air units carry ground units as cargo?

	21-07-2001 00:12									#11
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man Latest News: Today Moscow was succesfully invaded by the American fleet. No less then 7 battleships paratrooped in .....

Ah, the Philadelphia experiment all over again

	21-07-2001 00:47									#12
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Andy-Man, could you post details over at the Scenario League forum? To see what tinkering by scenario designers has come up with, if there are version differences, etc.

I've not been able to make airplanes carry other units - a naval unit, no less! Maybe I'm just uninformed... Did you just give the bomber a hold capacity, et voila?

	21-07-2001 01:47									#13
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Erm... Wasnīt The Andy Manīs post simply a joke, referring to the silliness of being able to paratroop ships?

	21-07-2001 02:07									#14
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yes, it was a joke

i thought that it waas b;atently obvious.....

	21-07-2001 06:16									#15
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I could dream that some brilliant programer had finally figured out a way to do what the rest of never could. but i see your nothing more than a joker like yin26

	21-07-2001 06:21									#16
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you make me sound evil.

	21-07-2001 06:26									#17
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your not evil, you just killed one of my dreams...

	21-07-2001 08:20									#18
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower your not evil, you just killed one of my dreams...

well if thats your dream it proves all of us are truely fanatical

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	22-07-2001 09:49									#19
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i never build helicopters any more , can any one please explai na reasonable use for them,, seems to be much cheaper attack units and much better defenders, bombers and fighters , espceially stealth are much better too as air units...

As for the carrying ability, i dont think there is a need to allow paratroopers to be carried on a plane as the whole concept of the paratrooper is that it utilises an invisible plane s part of its unit... it is not just an expensive ground unit you building here but the airsupport as well is inlcuded in the shield cost of the unit ..

One thing i would like though is the ability to fly units from one location to another, i know i can do this one at a time with citys with airports, but why not from airbases too... perhaps we shoudl be able to name the airbases and be able to fly from any one to another same as airports...

	22-07-2001 10:36									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Earwicker What happens if you equip a transport with that ability and try to paradrop it when it's loaded

Captain Nemo used this effect to simulate gliders in his scenario 'Second Front'.

	26-07-2001 00:26									#21
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quote: Originally posted by splangy it proves all of us are truely fanatical

That several people jumped right on Andy-Man's parachuting battleships does show a little over-the-edge obsessiveness. That's what attracts us to this forum. We're all that way. Note that transport ships are "invisible." Neither the paratrooper's short-range plane nor the airport's long-range plane is built or shown within the game. The long-range version can even be shot down without being seen by the players.

Case, how did Capt Nemo's "glider" thing work?

	26-07-2001 05:21									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer Case, how did Capt Nemo's "glider" thing work?

It was a ship with a capacity to hold 2 units and the ability to paradrop. You start the scenario with a heap of them loaded with British Commandos.

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Horsa Glider, The, 2, 1.,0, 0a,1d, 1h,1f, 18,2, 4, no, 000000100100000