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November Adam
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Calgary, AB, Canada
Jul 2001
time: 22:14
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Just to be a thorn in people's side, why have special units at all? Follow me on this one... if you play random maps, which I do exculisevly, special units don't make sense as they don't truly reflect geography, nor game play style.
The British had a kick-ass navy because they lived on an island... should Britian get a special Navel unit if they are stuck in the middle of a pangean type continent?
Or the Egyptians, they had chariots due to the fact they lived in the desert, would those same chariots be any good if they started in the middle of a mountain range?
I personaly thought Civ, was about "what if?" What if my civilization of Mongolians started on the coast with nothing but swamps, and forests around. I would probably move towards an oceanic type of civilization.
Same goes for civilizations with pre determined abilities... these abilities are dictated by our world, and our history. IMHO they shouldn't be determined before hand, as this is just stereotyping. In a game like MOO, racial benifits, and weaknesses make sense, but in CIV it does not.
So here I am once again being a nay sayer. Well that's what I think about this topic... feel free to disagree.
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Footie Mad
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Lund Sweden
May 2001
time: 06:14
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quote:
Originally posted by November Adam
Just to be a thorn in people's side, why have special units at all? Follow me on this one... if you play random maps, which I do exculisevly, special units don't make sense as they don't truly reflect geography, nor game play style.
The British had a kick-ass navy because they lived on an island... should Britian get a special Navel unit if they are stuck in the middle of a pangean type continent?
Or the Egyptians, they had chariots due to the fact they lived in the desert, would those same chariots be any good if they started in the middle of a mountain range?
I personaly thought Civ, was about "what if?" What if my civilization of Mongolians started on the coast with nothing but swamps, and forests around. I would probably move towards an oceanic type of civilization.
Same goes for civilizations with pre determined abilities... these abilities are dictated by our world, and our history. IMHO they shouldn't be determined before hand, as this is just stereotyping. In a game like MOO, racial benifits, and weaknesses make sense, but in CIV it does not.
So here I am once again being a nay sayer. Well that's what I think about this topic... feel free to disagree. |
There will be an option to turn it off, the only reason I like the idea is because im sure it will be fun playing with unique units.
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:14
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quote:
Originally posted by November Adam
Just to be a thorn in people's side, why have special units at all? |
Been discussed. Most people here will agree with you. Many say no to unique units.
It would seem that Firaxis is going with unique units because that is the current trend of the market today. Personally, I would like unique units to only come based on how you have played and the choices you have made but that may be to hard to implement currently.
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death_head
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Caledonia, IL, USA
Jul 2000
time: 23:14
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I don't know how well a rickshaw would hold up in combat...
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November Adam
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Calgary, AB, Canada
Jul 2001
time: 22:14
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quote:
Originally posted by tniem
Been discussed. Most people here will agree with you. Many say no to unique units.
It would seem that Firaxis is going with unique units because that is the current trend of the market today. Personally, I would like unique units to only come based on how you have played and the choices you have made but that may be to hard to implement currently. |
It seems like a newbie such as myself, would have a hard time making, or bringing up points that haven't been used/stated before.
I like your idea about special units being worked around how you play. I'm not sure it would be that hard to implement, as CTP2 has bonus' that are applied if your the first to do something. Units could work in a similar way. Say the first to reach a tech. or the first to a have a certain number of units... say the first person to have * number of chariots, develope greater skill, and thus get a fancy, unique chariot. Or something of this nature.
I liked the way bonus' worked in CTP2, I think it would be nice to see it added here. Example being the first to discover gunpowder, then all enemie walls aren't as effective for say * turns. This seems to work well as it doesn't screw up play balance, and it forces players to act quickly to take advantage of this new technology.
Very clever.
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TVA22
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I have to agree with JamesJKirk. You need to try to be politically correct when you post things in a community forum like this.
Maybe you think you're a veteran of the pacific campaign in WW2, or you think it's still the 1940's, or you think it makes you look cool, or maybe you just can't spell "JAPANESE".
In any event, that is the correct spelling, maybe you'd like to write it down?
I can think of plenty of racial and/or ethnic slurs people could post here, but don't out of respect for who may read these forums. Try to remember to be more correct in the future, unless you like looking like the village uneducated idiot.
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ohh, I see, i said "Japs". Crying out loud man, Lighten up! If you take things like that seriously, you're just kidding yourself.
I'm not against Japanese! I mean... my girlfriend is Asian even!
Telling me how I should type?  Leave me alone.
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Mahdimael
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Sandy Eigo, CA, USA
May 2001
time: 05:14
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Chinese - Boxed spy planes (1/1/1, gives one technology to the Chinese)
English - Knight with coconuts (4/2/2, carried by an african swallow)
Zulu - Kunta Kinte (5/4/1, keeps a record of all the units that precede and follow it)
Germans - Blitzkrieg Bob (20/1/1, automatically destroys french units it encounters. Wears monocle and talks like Col. Klink)
French - Surrender Monkey (0/3/2, as Willy from the Simpsons says "Ye cheese-eatin surrender monkeys")
Americans - Florida Electorate (?/?/?, stats change every turn)
Russians - Russian Winter (12/1/1, causes all enemies to massively retreat, Russians to laugh, then complain about the cold)
Native American- That Dude from Last of the Mohicans with that Stick thing that whupped butt (20/15/10, man that guy was cool)
Japanese - Super Ninja (300/200/21, based on every 12-year-old American boy's perceptions of the relative strength of a ninja)
Romans - Gladiator (1/1/1, but provides 200 gold when created and another 200 gold when released on DVD)
Greeks - no comment.
 Just kidding! 
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The Japanese call themselves the 'Nipponese' and call their country 'Nippon'.
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death_head
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Caledonia, IL, USA
Jul 2000
time: 23:14
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And we Americans call ourselves America, but that's just to annoy the Canadians at this point...
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Sabre2th
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I'm getting tired of all the people who insult the USA. I know that most of these comments were light-hearted, but I've read 5 different threads in the last 2 days where people who have never lived in the United States have talked about things they know nothing about. I'll admit that I'm in a bad mood right now, but I could say a lot of bad things about other countries represented here. If you disagree with me, say so, but don't start flaming me just because I like America.
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November Adam
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Calgary, AB, Canada
Jul 2001
time: 22:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Sabre2th
I'm getting tired of all the people who insult the USA. I know that most of these comments were light-hearted, but I've read 5 different threads in the last 2 days where people who have never lived in the United States have talked about things they know nothing about. I'll admit that I'm in a bad mood right now, but I could say a lot of bad things about other countries represented here. If you disagree with me, say so, but don't start flaming me just because I like America. |
Ah sabre my fine american friend, don't worry I was just posting in regards to "Americans, being called that to annoy Canadians", which was posted by an American.
If we can't laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at? So from a beer swiling, hockey playing, toque wearing, dog sled driving, peace loving Canadian who lives in an igloo. Cheers!!
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Sabre2th
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quote:
Originally posted by November Adam
Ah sabre my fine american friend, don't worry I was just posting in regards to "Americans, being called that to annoy Canadians", which was posted by an American.
If we can't laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at? So from a beer swiling, hockey playing, toque wearing, dog sled driving, peace loving Canadian who lives in an igloo. Cheers!! |
I didn't mean this thread specifically, I just meant that many people in these forums will talk about a nation that they've never lived in, only read or heard about. Like I said before, I'm in a bad mood, so maybe I'll feel differently about this later (like when I get out of work  )
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SerapisIV
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Hartford, CT, USA
Feb 2001
time: 00:14
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quote:
Originally posted by November Adam
If we can't laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at? So from a beer swiling, hockey playing, toque wearing, dog sled driving, peace loving Canadian who lives in an igloo. Cheers!! |
Ay, damn hosers just mad we've taken all their hoceky teams away, ay. And now they have subsidize the ones they have to keep them from moving to the Bible Belt, so beer swilling rednecks can watch at least one sport where the can't watch with their fat slob shirts off, ay.
Blame Canada...Blame Canada !!!
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SerapisIV
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Hartford, CT, USA
Feb 2001
time: 00:14
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quote:
Originally posted by November Adam
Well we rednecks can always just watch our fun luvin CFL fooseball, well kcept for the poor fat rednecks in Winnipeg, they get airlifted from the field by their damn, skeeters.
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Most NHL teams have moved to the southern US, those were the rednecks I was referring too. You damn canucks are just a bunch of ice-fishing, plaid-wearing, beer-drinking, hockey-playing nuts who actually sent a bicycle regiment to WWII. Damn and you guys call Americans wierd. Oh yeah, please take Tom Green back, he scares me.
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November Adam
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Calgary, AB, Canada
Jul 2001
time: 22:14
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Originally posted by SerapisIV
Most NHL teams have moved to the southern US, those were the rednecks I was referring too. You damn canucks are just a bunch of ice-fishing, plaid-wearing, beer-drinking, hockey-playing nuts who actually sent a bicycle regiment to WWII. Damn and you guys call Americans wierd. Oh yeah, please take Tom Green back, he scares me. |
A bicycle unit? really? Now that would be a special unit for Canada for civ (If we even make it in the game, and if we do, please don't use Pierre Trudeau as our leader! Use Mckenzie or something)! Oh and you can keep Tom Green... he scares me too!
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:14
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quote:
Originally posted by November Adam
Or the Egyptians, they had chariots due to the fact they lived in the desert, would those same chariots be any good if they started in the middle of a mountain range?
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No they wouldnt. you will note that most of the invaders of 1200BC who defeated the chariots with new infantry tactics- judeans, achaeans, sicilians, sardinians, lucians, etc were mountain peoples.
and that the one lowland "civ" which adapted best to the new conditions was Assyria, which bordered on the Zagros mountains, and had always had to fight barbarians in the mountains.
Keep on being a thorn - calling out historical truth is not trolling, its necessary here.
LOTM
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