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Kautilya
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St Louis, MO
Feb 2000
time: 23:14
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Good grief! I hadn't realized the true hideousness of the graphics before seeing this screenshot.
I am not one to worry too much about graphics but these screenshots are well below the level of CTP2. I would almost prefer the old Civ 2 graphics especially considering the unspeakable greens and blues here.
Hopefully the optimists are right and these are just preliminary shots but why release them then? I am begining to fear the worst.
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Nemo
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of no one.
Apr 1999
time: 23:14
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well, now i can actually see that they are knights (sort of). The first fairy knights allignment! 
ok, i have a geforece2 gts and 21" sony trinitron monitor, and until now, i honestly had no idea what the pink things where, i thought the knights were pink beetles...for real. I looked at them for a minute, the first time i saw this screen shot, and gave up trying to figure them out after about 2 minuts.
The more i see of the graphics, the less i want to buy the game. I mean if they cant even get the graphics right, how do we KNOW the game play is all that?
If they cant get the graphics right, how are they going to sell this 2d game sitting on a shelf next to something like empire earth, to NEW customers? -hell, i am even thinking about buying empire earth before civ III, and i dont even like RTS 
I think civilization fans are the only people going to get it. it's been 7 years siince civ II was released, i am sure that many civ fans have lost interest. so, firaxis will be stuck with little new customers, and even lost a few fans on the way. Not Good!
They need to:
1) push back the release date 
2) revamp the graphics (the florecent colors are REALLY harsh on the eyes!!!)
the more screen shots i see, the less i care if i buy the game. i know graphics aren't the only thing in the game. but civ I/II was a great game with bad graphics. and firaxis did say that they would keep the good and improve the bad. is this the extent on how they improved the bad??? not looking good firaxis, not good at all. 
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agree on the cities are too dark
auto-levels fixes that easy, consider it firaxis
what image are you talking about me-irate? can you link to it? I'm not sure i've seen it..
I get the feeling they want Civ3 to die. 
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Kevin Ar18
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quote:
Originally posted by DarkCloud
One complaint: The farms look too insubstantial... |
What farms?
And, BTW, what is with those anchors on the cities. I wouldn't exactly say they look good.
I suspect they are probably there to indicate a naval base is there. But can't we find a better way? Say a harbor actually sticking out across the ocean water?
Oh, and one thing about all these screenshots is that they seem like they are still in development because there are still things missing. IE, no railroads, fortresses, airports, farms, ice type terrain, or rain forest type.
So, there's still hope. And about the roads, they are probably there as preliminary art as they begin to get the game working which they'll refine later.
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Kevin Ar18
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I honestly think that the issue with roads being over mines will be fixed (at least to the level of Civ 2).
However, what I hate most is how the colors are so obviously bland and out of place.
I remember for Civ 2 starting out my first game.... I was on an island with grasslands, forest, and some jungle and swamp.
Well, later in the game I discovered a desert area on another island. I was so pleasantly surprised by this. I mean it looked so much different and it was cool to find such a different terrain.
However, with this puke green scheme, (that is based off that Tower of Babel painting) every piece of terrain has the same bland, uninteresting color scheme. Boring....
Let's get some real colors in there with deep greens for forests and grasslands.... And some deep blues and light blues for oceans (without the puke green mixed in the blue).
Oh, and make them deserts really look like deserts.
What would be really cool is to put sand dunes in large desert areas (do this on tiles that are all surrounded by other desert tiles kind of like mountains adjust based on surrounding tiles)
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Those CTP graphics may look good, but they don't feel good, and thats what will make a world of difference.
I understand what people mean when you say gameplay is more important than graphics, but you're contradicting yourself.
The trick is with graphics, is that if you do it right, you can make the gameplay great. CTP's graphics appear great, but they are actualy the reason why the game got low gameplay scores.
Drawing graphics doesn't mean the more realistic, the better it will be, or the more animations, the better it will be.
Explaining the trick is difficult, you would have to be an experienced artist to understand, but basicaly, the artist, has to think 'how will the player feel when they look at this image?'. If they get the right response they want, then they're on the right track with the style they used.
A few good examples are adventure games, you will notice in some adventure games that the background images are slightly warped out of place, that gives off the feeling that everything in this game is just a joke and like a cartoon. And it successfuly achieves that - by looking good at the same time.
I'm not sure why the artists have chosen these looks, maybe it they give off the right feeling when the game is being played. To be honest, I don't agree with it - but I could be very wrong.
I still think the graphic I drew earlier on in my previous thread, that the feeling was a lot better, closer to the feeling that people would prefer to get when creating a Civilization.
I think the feelings the graphics need to give off are:
1. Power
2. Succession
3. Earths Beauty, Earths ruggedness.
4. Large Variety
5. Weather
I think thats all the feelings a player needs when looking at the terrain.
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22-07-2001 11:48
Use a flag instead. Those units are way to dark and look really bad. 
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