22-07-2001 12:16									#1
	Sloppy code? Increase the size of your Attachments

I just noticed something strange at the bottom of every page... Sloppy code Markos?

Attachment: apolyton.gif
This has been downloaded 93 time(s).

	22-07-2001 12:30									#2
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i dont get this....


what's your style and your browser?

	22-07-2001 12:37									#3
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I don't get it either. IE5, regular (whatever you call the alternative to lite).

	22-07-2001 12:37									#4
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Opera 5.12 with the default style. But I don't think that that would make any difference, it looks like you overlooked a comment end tag...

Edit: after reading KH's post I checked with IE and indeed, it doesn't show up there... All the more reason to check your code in different browsers?

Yet another edit: I think I know what happened After closing Webwasher (sorry ) it disappeared. Instead there were the two ads...

Last edited by Hueij on 22-07-2001 at 12:46

	22-07-2001 12:46									#5
	Tired of ads?

is it still there?

	22-07-2001 13:28									#6
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With Webwasher active it's still there, with WW inactive I see this:

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	22-07-2001 21:00									#7
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Hueji, webwasher is not nice. If all the ad people start thinking we're not watching their ads, Markos will have to pay for the server sapce himself.

	22-07-2001 21:07									#8
	Got spare money?

I have this arrow too.

	23-07-2001 01:48									#9
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by GP Hueji, webwasher is not nice. If all the ad people start thinking we're not watching their ads, Markos will have to pay for the server sapce himself.

I know... Normally I turn it off when coming here but I was on an EZ board before (and if you knew what they do with pop ups you would use Webwasher too ) and I simply forgot. Normally the only time I use Webwasher on Apolyton is when the UGO ads take annoyingly long to load...

	23-07-2001 02:07									#10
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quote: Originally posted by GP webwasher is not nice.

Yes. Proxomitron is much better ...

http://spywaresucks.org/prox

The only problem is, I have no idea how to get something similar to Linux (though I would probably find something if I searched)

	23-07-2001 02:47									#11
	Got spare money?

ahh that webwasher could be handy, thanks for the tip guys, will try downloading it at home

	23-07-2001 03:15									#12
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Markos,

I know you guys cannot get to much money from the ads especially in the current state of advertising online and most people hate the load time for ads.

What if you had an optional fee to join the forums ad free? I'd be willing to spend like $25 a year to browse the forums daily without ads and it would be more money from me than your going to get from my click throughs on those ads.

I know kuro5hin has added this kind of feature. I think they charge $5 a month, a little steep although I might consider it for Apolyton. Find out more about there program at http://www.kuro5hin.org/special/subscribe

	23-07-2001 04:15									#13
	Increase the size of your Attachments

thanks for the suggestion, tniem

one thing against such an program is that while it is achievable to do this on the forums, it is not easy for the rest of the site....

	23-07-2001 07:57									#14
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Which is the bigger cost (in terms of server space and bandwidth). The forums or the site? I spend way more time on the forums. The rest of the site is window dressing to support the community...

	23-07-2001 07:59									#15
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I would pay for the forums. But lots of HS and college kids would not. If you do install a paid system, leave the rest of the site unpaid and have the forums as "premium". Also maybe good to give guest memeberships to hook people...but then you will have problems with DLs.

	23-07-2001 08:00									#16
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The biggest recurring cost is the leased line.

	23-07-2001 08:30									#17
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quote: Originally posted by GP I would pay for the forums. But lots of HS and college kids would not. If you do install a paid system, leave the rest of the site unpaid and have the forums as "premium". Also maybe good to give guest memeberships to hook people...but then you will have problems with DLs.

GP, what I am suggesting is that the site would stay free. And it would continue to have ads. However you could pay to remove the ads.

You might not get that many people to do it, heck, you might only get ten. But if the feature is not that hard to implement I think it might be worth it for those of us who want to support Apolyton but hate ads.

I would not want pay or else you can't visit any longer. We would lose to many people that contribute to the forums (in both positive and negative ways). I would not support such a system as I think it would hurt the site but paying money in a donation way would be cool to eliminate ads and help the site out. Who knows, maybe those that give money could get their own title...

	23-07-2001 10:09									#18
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How come IE doesn't display the extra -->?

Is the extra --> part of the standards...?

	23-07-2001 13:20									#19
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Oh, MarkG... There are a few more errors...

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...;doctype=Inline

	23-07-2001 18:46									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Glonk How come IE doesn't display the extra -->? Is the extra --> part of the standards...?

Moz doesn't, either, but I am not using Webwasher

FYI, "-->" is the end of multiple line comments in HTML. Don't you know that? Tsk, tsk.

	24-07-2001 01:29									#21
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I KNOW what the --> does, I was wondering why the hell a "standards compliant browser" is printing the tail-end of comment code, which should never be printed at all. I've not getting the --> with webwasher + IE enabled...

Couldn't you figure that out? Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

	24-07-2001 01:31									#22
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See, you know the standards suck when a website that works just fine generates 58 (!!) pages of errors with the W3C site.

The standards is a complete waste of time for web developers. The only site I know that completely adheres to them is the W3C site (and look how nice that looks...not)

	24-07-2001 01:40									#23
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glonk, were you making pages when ie and netscape were at 50-50%?

btw, the w3c standard is not a policeman. if someone wants to make a loosy implementation of a browser, which instead of giving out a bad page, makes a guess on what the creator of the page might want to do it, then it's not the w3c's job to disallow it....

	24-07-2001 01:50									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Glonk I KNOW what the --> does, I was wondering why the hell a "standards compliant browser" is printing the tail-end of comment code, which should never be printed at all

because the comment tag was ended somewhere before. therefore, any browser that follows standards takes --> as simple text

but if you're used to IE's "guessing engine"....

	24-07-2001 02:12									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG glonk, were you making pages when ie and netscape were at 50-50%?

Yes.

The standards have some major problems, that's why many developers like the IE tags.

For example, how the hell do you get a background image inside a specific table cell inside the W3C standards? According to their site, 'background' is an invalid attribute, but it renders fine in IE and is a useful feature. That's the only thing stopping my website from being HTML 4.01 compliant.