27-07-2001 05:08									#1
	Mark, Dan, Snapcase, Imran - civ1 news item Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I'm sorry, I don't know the protocols for giving you guys a tip.


in the latest issue (#100) of Gameinformer ( a multi platform mag), they had a feature of the 100 greatest games of all time.

Civilization ranked #62 on that list. Which I think is pretty good, since only 13 PC games made the list.

Sorry, no, I don't have a link.

	30-07-2001 11:09									#2
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ONLY number #62? god, those guys were some fecking morons. .
in another ranking, civ was ranked number 3 (under only mario and zelda) and even THEN i thought "god, those guys are some fecking morons. . "

	30-07-2001 15:18									#3
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#62 at least it is represented in the society.

for me it is #1 naturally.

	30-07-2001 16:41									#4
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Civ is #1 PC game, and #1 ovreall. Wonder who could rate Mario higher than Civ.

	31-07-2001 00:33									#5
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Funny, we're talking about it, and it still hasn't become a news item.

Maybe we don't do civ1 news items anymore

	31-07-2001 05:10									#6
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Hi Father Beast. Generally speaking, emailing us news tips is the best way to get it to us. Nonetheless, we thank you for this (you did indeed post it in the correct forum )!

Do you have access to a scanner in which you could send us an image via email and/or a greater description if possible (i.e. what they say about <I>Civilization</I> )?

In either event, thanks in advance. We appreciate your taking your time to submit this tip to us.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	31-07-2001 05:13									#7
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In regards to your second post, FB:

Please note that all of us here at ACS are busy with Apolyton and other matters (e.g. job, volunteer work, family etc., sleep ) and it may take 24-36hrs. on average for us to post any news tips sent our way.

So, don't think that we're ignoring you or anything -- we haven't ignored our visitors before and we're not about to start now.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	31-07-2001 05:37									#8
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Yeah, we busy .

But as Dan said, it would be nice to get some more info. It'd be a fairly short news item without it.

	31-07-2001 06:34									#9
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It should have been at least #30, even on a multi-platform magazine...
and yes... Mario IS better than civ The franchise, yes, but a single game- perhaps civ is better than a single Mario game...

Zelda deserves a high ranking.

-And I don't even own a console system!

	01-08-2001 02:03									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DanQ Hi Father Beast. Generally speaking, emailing us news tips is the best way to get it to us. Nonetheless, we thank you for this (you did indeed post it in the correct forum )! Do you have access to a scanner in which you could send us an image via email and/or a greater description if possible (i.e. what they say about <I>Civilization</I> )? In either event, thanks in advance. We appreciate your taking your time to submit this tip to us. --------------- Dan; Apolyton CS

OK, I didn't buy the mag, I'll have to see if there's a site or something. I may buy the mag and scan it in. be back in a while. this may take a couple of days...

	02-08-2001 09:41									#11
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OK, I didn't buy the mag, but did write down their blurb about Civ. Here it is:

quote: 62. CIVILIZATION Sid Meier put his stamp on the strategy gaming world with the release of Civilization. As a pioneering title in the world building genre, Civ enthralled gamers from sea to shining sea and spawned a flood of sequels. With Civ III on its way to shelves soon, a look back on this groundbreaking release is sure to bring a rush of nostalgia, and a nod of respect to a game that broke the mold by making a new one.

they also had a screenshot with several cities, but I didn't get it, so wasn't able to scan it in.

	04-08-2001 05:24									#12
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OK, here's the rundown, for those who are interested.

100. Ape Escape (ps2)
99. House Of The Dead 2 (dreamcast)
98.Starcraft (pc)
97. Mortal Kombat II (arcade)
96. Tetris Attack (snes)
95. NBA 2K1
94. Phantasy Star (sega)
93. Ninja Gaiden
92. Cool Boarders 2
91. Mario's Picross
90. Super Bomberman
89. Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows Of Amn (pc)
88. Road Rash
87. Hot Shots Golf (psx)
86. Tomb Raider (pc)
85. NFL 2K1 (dreamcast)
84. RC Pro Am
83. Kid Icarus (nes)
82. Suikoden (psx)
81. Age Of Empires (pc)
80. The Sims (pc)
79. Pro Wrestling (nes)
78. Panzer Dragoon Saga (sega saturn)
77.Secret Of Mana
76. Dr. Mario
75. Double Dragon (arcade)
74. Soul Calibur (dreamcast)
73. Twisted Metal 2
72. Robotron 2084 (arcade)
71. Banjo-Kazooie
70. Zork (pc)
69. Resident Evil - Code:Veronica (dreamcast)
68. The Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask (n64)
67. Ghouls N' Ghosts (arcade)
66. Bionic Commando (nes)
65. Donkey Kong Country 2 (snes)
64. Gauntlet (arcade)
63. Baseball Stars (nes)

62. CIVILIZATION (pc)

61. Sonic The Hedgehog 2 (sega)
60. Donkey Kong (arcade)
59. Tekken 2 (arcade)
58. The Legend Of Zelda: Link's Awakening
57. Arkanoid (arcade)
56. Tempest 2000 (atari Jaguar)
55. Chrono Cross
54. Technu: Stealth Assassins
53. Meatl Gear (nes)
52. Lode Runner (apple ii)
51. Ridge Racer (psx)

be back later with the rest

	04-08-2001 06:31									#13
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Well I shouldn't worry about that place, they are a bunch of console-game playing philistines. They wouldn't know a good game if it invaded them with 4 armor units followed by howitzers and a bunch of stealth bombers...

	05-08-2001 03:48									#14
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In contrast, Gamespy rated Civilization #4, and Civilization 2 in the 30s.

	05-08-2001 04:40									#15
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err , this might sound ignorant , but what is Zelda?

	05-08-2001 10:01									#16
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the rest of the list:


50. Virtua Tennis (dreamcast)
49. Half Life: Counter Strike (pc)
48. Castlevania (nes)
47. Adventure (atari 2600)
46. Super Mario World (snes)
45. Final Fantasy Tactics (psx)
44. Excite Bike (nes)
43. Final Fantasy IX (psx)
42. Star Wars: X Wing (pc)
41. Pitfall! (atari 2600)
40. Final Fantasy II (snes)
39. Pokemon Red/Blue (game boy)
38. Tecmo Bowl
37. Dragon Warrior
36. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
35. Super Mario Kart (snes)
34. Resident Evil 2
33. Everquest (pc)
32. Mega Man 2
31. Sim City (pc)
30. Super Mario Bros. 2
29. Super Metroid (snes)
28. Command And Conquer (pc)
27. Madden NFL 2001 (ps2)
26. Crash Bandicoot: Warped
25. Warlords (atari 2600)
24. Sonic The Hedgehog (sega genesis)
23. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
22. Street Fighter II (arcade)
21. Gran Turismo
20. NHLPA 93
19. Galaga (arcade)
18. Castlevania: Symphony Of The Night (psx)
17. Metal Gear Solid
16. Goldeneye 007 (n64)
15. Chron Trigger (snes)
14. Mike Tyson's Punch Out!!
13. Contra
12. Super Mario 64 (n64)
11. The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time
10. Final Fantasy VII (psx)
9. Ms. Pac Man (arcade)
8. Super Mario Bros. 3
7. Final Fantasy III (snes)
6. Metroid (nes)
5. Doom (pc)
4. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (psx)
3. Tetris (arcade)
2. Super Mario Bros. (nes)
1. The Legend Of Zelda


Platform breakdown according to Game Informer Magazine:
nes - 20
psx - 20
pc - 13
snes - 11
arcade - 10
dreamcast - 6
n64 - 5
gameboy - 4
sega genesis - 4
atari 2600 - 3
atari jaguar - 1
sega saturn - 1
sega master system - 1

	05-08-2001 10:07									#17
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I have to agree that the makers of the gameinformer list are almost all consolers.

The Gamespy list I tend to have a bit more trust in, since they say it was made from developers poll....

I have noticed that a number of console games made it onto the gamespy list also, some of them in almost the same places they are in the gameinformer list WTF???

I don't get some of these listings. I actually have an atari 2600, and have all 3 games that made the list, and I think all 3 of them suck! go figure. guess it's not really in my heart to be a console gamer...

	05-08-2001 11:18									#18
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Count them, five Final Fantasy games. Don't get me wrong I think they are great games, but realistically only 3 (U.S) and maybe I and II should have made a list. The rest have been basically the same with 7 and 8 (on the list) plain boring.

Other thoughts, Tony Hawk's Pro Skating 2 as the number four game of all time. That is pure irresponsible journalism. First of all it is the same as the original (which is also on the list), second it hasn't impacted anything. Maybe down the road...

Anyways, obviously slanted towards console games and I just can't agree with that.