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Solver
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Apolyton Duke Of Something
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Latvia, Riga
Sep 2000
time: 07:14
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I think that people who are unhappy with Civ 3 graphics, especially Yin  , are paying too much attention to it. What I want from the Civ 3 graphics are good videos, and in game at least the same level as CtP. For me, gameplay is the most important, and Civ 3 looks promising in that area. After all, the units are fully animated, what else much do you need? Graphics are what mainly consume resources, so if they don't make superb graphics, it guarantees that the system requirements will be lower. You will easily be able to play Civ 3 with 64 MB of RAM, while Age of Mythology, with its excellent graphics, requires at least 128. If you got 333Mhz and 64MB RAM, your Civ 3 experience will be good.
Also, the screenshots don't much show it. They don't show the animation and such, videos do it.
Remember, Civ I came out at the same time DOOM did. Civ had 2D graphics, with little rectanges with drawings for units. DOOM had 3D graphics, which looked pretty realistic for what could be achieved then. But, the Civ's gameplay made you forget about the terrible graphics.
IMO, the gameplay is what makes it. If civ had perfect graphics, but gameplay no better than other Civ games, I wouldn't hurry buying it. But, with what Civ 3 seems to be now, from what Firaxis have told us, I'll be getting a copy as soon as it ships here.
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yin26
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This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:14
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O.K. I've said this 1,000 times (sorry, Solver, if this your first time to hear it from me):
* Gameplay IS more important than graphics. Period.
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...and in game at least the same level as CtP. |
This, of course, is ONE of the problems. I think the graphics look WORSE. Even that I could get over, but when Firaxis looks at this and calls them "visual realism like never before," one has to look at that and say:
1. Firaxis is blind to just how mediocre these graphics really are (as happned with SMAC, remember?) OR
2. Firaxis takes us for a bunch of fools.
So let's make something clear, then. It's not necessarily the less-than impressive graphics that worry me but that Firaxis actually sees them as a source of pride, indeed 'genre busting.'
So what?
Well, if the leadership can see in these graphics 'visual realism like never before' when we all KNOW they are passable at best, then what are they saying to themselves about the AI, the culture features, trade, resources? And on and on.
Frankly, Firaxis has used these screenshots and said loudly to the world: "These are the best EVER in TBS!" If they can blow it on something so patently false (at least from what they've shown us), then I have every reason to be GRAVELY concerned about the other issues surrounding gameplay.
Finally, as for animations: They are useless eyecandy. Am I glad they'll be in the game? Sure, I guess. But what we see off the site will be shrunk down into a tiny cluster of pixels that represent only a fraction of what we've seen when isolated and zoomed.
So I see the way Firaxis is heralding these lack-luster graphics as a BENCHMARK for how they must be perceiving the larger project itself. And anybody who thinks I am simply whining about weak graphics ALONE simply hasn't been paying any attention.
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Colonel Kraken
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Grand Rapids, MI
Nov 2000
time: 00:14
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Graphics are important in so much that they be crisp, clean, and concise allowing the user to easily distinguish between units, cities, terrain, and terrain features, et. al.
I don't see this from the screen shots. The desire to use realistic tones and such makes for a muddled view of everything at once. Sure, individual items by themselves look beautiful. Put them all together and you find yourself squinting in an attempt to make out exactly what you're looking at.
To me that's not an improvement, that's a problem. My wife still plays CtP2 (modified by me, of course  ) and is still a pleasure to watch simply because most of the features are crisp, bright and easily distinguishable.
I hope viewing the screenshots is merely a muddled representation of what it actually looks like on a computer screen.
I'm sure it will be. 
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Sabre2th
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I hope viewing the screenshots is merely a muddled representation of what it actually looks like on a computer screen. |
I think there's a pretty good chance of this. Remember that the screenshots are compressed and are smaller than the screen would be.
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