29-07-2001 17:25									#1
	What will it cost Firaxis to shut me up? (offer ends August 15th) Got spare money?

NOTE: Times ARE cumulative! In cases of uncertainty, I will defer to a small committee to determine if Firaxis met their half of the deal.

[The item from Firaxis: The number of Yin-less days]

The opening of Civ3.com by August 1: 1 week

Screenshots with significantly improved graphics: 1 week

Any in-depth discussion of any gameplay feature: 1 week

Any statement about pushing back the release date to Q2 2002 or later WITH the reasons that October was just a silly publisher's ploy and Firaxis would never cave in like that: 1 week

Massively in-depth discussion of the AI: 2 weeks

Any PR statement that actually admits previous PR efforts were off the mark and insulted the gamer's intelligence: 1 month

Any request for Markos to ban himself: 1 day, since they really should just do that anyway.

Any direct apologies to Yin for Sim Golf: 2 months with the option to go for a year if Sim Golf gets cancelled immediately and all available staff take Civ 3 to incredible heights.

But hurry, Firaxis. Offer ends August 15th. Do the entire Apolyton community a favor and SHUT ME UP!

	29-07-2001 17:43									#2
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Markos, don't you want to use your powers to shut him up .

	29-07-2001 20:21									#3
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quote: Any PR statement that actually admits previous PR efforts were off the mark and insulted the gamer's intelligence

yin, they have attempted to talk about some of the gameplay features...trade, diplomacy, and resources, for example. Other than that, you're pretty much right on in pointing out their PR ploys of an early release and full website. Then again, you have to expect that sort of thing nowadays .

	29-07-2001 20:35									#4
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yin, it sounds like the game is not coming out on october. is that 1 week?

	29-07-2001 20:37									#5
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quote: Any statement about pushing back the release date to Q2 2002 or later WITH the reasons that October was just a silly publisher's ploy and Firaxis would never cave in like that.

Not even close!

	29-07-2001 20:41									#6
	Full PM-box? Change here!

the perfect strategy: ask for something that will never happen(a public attack of a developer to the publisher) and then accuse them of not doing the right thing.....

	29-07-2001 20:43									#7
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I think you can sort out the "could happens" from the "won't happens," eh Markos?

	29-07-2001 20:46									#8
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when you ask for something impossible and still get something back instead of nothing, you should do the honorable thing and keep the deal....

	29-07-2001 20:49									#9
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LOL! Hilarious. How about they actually do ONE of the possible things I listed and be honorable themselves?

	29-07-2001 20:52									#10
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By the way, to make this easier for you, I consider the following not only possible but absolutely reasonable:

The opening of Civ3.com by August 1: 1 week

Screenshots with significantly improved graphics: 1 week

Any in-depth discussion of any gameplay feature: 1 week

Massively in-depth discussion of the AI: 2 weeks (that one is iffy as to how reasonable it is, so I'll put that in the impossible colum to make you happy, Markos, if you want)

Any request for Markos to ban himself: 1 day, since they really should just do that anyway.

	29-07-2001 20:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 The opening of Civ3.com by August 1: 1 week

how do you characterize this as "reasonable" when you dont what they actually want to do for civ3.com and what their schdules and work load is????

eitherway, they have now mentioned an opening date for civ3.com

quote: Any request for Markos to ban himself: 1 day, since they really should just do that anyway.

i still dont get this one. you think that it sounds "reasonable" firaxis should ask me to ban myself? for what reason and for how long?

	29-07-2001 21:00									#12
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quote: how do you characterize this as "reasonable" when you dont what they actually want to do for civ3.com and what their schdules and work load is????

They said a long time ago they were looking at this summer. Well, it's this summer.

quote: i still dont get this one. you think that it sounds "reasonable" firaxis should ask me to ban myself? for what reason and for how long?

LOL!!! So funny. It's a joke, Markos. A JOKE! But since you ask: No reason and for 3 weeks.

	29-07-2001 21:18									#13
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 They said a long time ago they were looking at this summer. Well, it's this summer.

in which case you should have said "august 31", not "august 1"

	29-07-2001 21:25									#14
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My hopes are that August 31 is just 6 weeks beofre the release.

	29-07-2001 22:15									#15
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Shoots solver

Q1 2002